From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 10:04:36 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
Message-ID: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>

We remember the ongoing suit of SCO vs IBM which also was an attack on
Linux. And we remember, The SCO Group which was originally the Linux distro
Caldera. Many of us watched Groklaw religiously. I guess it is time for a
new web site.


The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright, antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group
successor Xinuos.
https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/ibm_redhat_xinuos/

--
Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
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From bill.n1vux at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 10:50:10 2021
From: bill.n1vux at gmail.com (Bill Ricker)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:50:10 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
In-Reply-To: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAbKA3UgxZh1SVJ5bGBye6miZ8mQePBzvusrY0ByLU0vDEPm2w@mail.gmail.com>

Some of us are old enough to remember The Santa Cruz Operation was the
preferred provider of legally licensed System III Unix or Xenix. (Before
the Caldera folks did the reverse merge taking the good name.)

We ran that on Onyx Z8000 for dev servers back when, and I had a client
with System III on a 386 with two 8xSerial cards.

Alas this story of the zombie arising yet again to eat more brainz is on
too many sites to be April Fools but it should be!

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:06 Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:

> We remember the ongoing suit of SCO vs IBM which also was an attack on
> Linux. And we remember, The SCO Group which was originally the Linux distro
> Caldera. Many of us watched Groklaw religiously. I guess it is time for a
> new web site.
>
>
> The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright, antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group
> successor Xinuos.
>
> https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/ibm_redhat_xinuos/
>
> --
> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> B B6E7
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From me at mattgillen.net  Tue Apr 13 10:41:41 2021
From: me at mattgillen.net (Matthew Gillen)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:41:41 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] resolved and DNSSEC
Message-ID: <94530355-3ce8-600b-ed15-4e584da8caf1@mattgillen.net>

I did a system upgrade the other day of my main home server/firewall,
and for once the problem wasn't email, it was DNS.

Fedora 33 moved to resolved, which does some interesting things compared
to what I was used to.

Amazingly, it maintained the basic contours of the system I had before:
systemd-resolved was configured to only talk to the BIND server running
on the loopback.  I was impressed with that (and even though I've found
/etc/systemd/resolved.conf and put the DNS entry as 127.0.0.1 to force
it, it was actually doing the right thing before I did that, so I don't
which config file it was looking at).

The problem I had was a script I was running to check the DNSSEC status
of a certain set of hosts that have historically had a lot of issues.
So my cron job basically ran
  delv <hostname>

over a set of hostnames.  delv is like 'dig' but for DNSSEC

Followed advice of random blog that duckduckgo told me about and enabled
DNSSEC for systemd-resolved
(https://stanislas.blog/2018/06/enable-dnssec-support-in-systemd-resolve/ )

However, my 'delv' commands kept returning failure.  Doing 'dig
www.dnssec-failed.org' properly failed, so I know DNSSEC was working
between my BIND instance and systemd-resolved, but delv apparently was
not able to get signed results from the 127.0.0.53 server (which is what
systemd-resolved presents to the rest of the system as the
backward-compatible resolver).

I solved the problem in the short term by just forcing the delv command
to go straight to my BIND server:
  delv @127.0.0.1 <hostname>

But I liked the idea of the delv command exercising the exact path any
other program on my system would use when doing DNS lookups.
There is a pretty meaty ticket on this where the issue was closed but
people are saying it still doesn't work
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4621

FWIW, here's my config in case any one knows something I might be doing
wrong (links 4-7 are just VLANs off physical Link 3; Link 2 is my ISP
connection):
---------------------
$ resolvectl
Global
         Protocols: LLMNR=resolve -mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=yes/supported
  resolv.conf mode: stub
Current DNS Server: 127.0.0.1
       DNS Servers: 127.0.0.1

Link 2 (enp1s0)
    Current Scopes: DNS LLMNR/IPv4 LLMNR/IPv6

         Protocols: +DefaultRoute +LLMNR -mDNS -DNSOverTLS
DNSSEC=yes/supported
Current DNS Server: 127.0.0.1

       DNS Servers: 127.0.0.1


Link 3 (enp3s5)
Current Scopes: none
     Protocols: -DefaultRoute +LLMNR -mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=yes/supported

Link 4 (noext)
Current Scopes: LLMNR/IPv4 LLMNR/IPv6
     Protocols: -DefaultRoute +LLMNR -mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=yes/supported

Link 5 (eap)
Current Scopes: LLMNR/IPv4
     Protocols: -DefaultRoute +LLMNR -mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=yes/supported

Link 6 (kids)
Current Scopes: LLMNR/IPv4 LLMNR/IPv6
     Protocols: -DefaultRoute +LLMNR -mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=yes/supported

Link 7 (mgmt)
Current Scopes: LLMNR/IPv4
     Protocols: -DefaultRoute +LLMNR -mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=yes/supported

---------------------

Thanks,
Matt

From me at mattgillen.net  Tue Apr 13 20:41:50 2021
From: me at mattgillen.net (Matthew Gillen)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 20:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] resolved and DNSSEC
In-Reply-To: <20210413190737.GG13788@csail.mit.edu>
References: <94530355-3ce8-600b-ed15-4e584da8caf1@mattgillen.net>
 <20210413162901.GD13788@csail.mit.edu>
 <33b74010-86c3-176e-519f-f38bc289feb0@mattgillen.net>
 <20210413180149.GF13788@csail.mit.edu>
 <61683ce0-303b-c3e5-6483-3a36d205f202@mattgillen.net>
 <20210413190737.GG13788@csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <89a1911a-1a4b-6ec8-0022-9f935de0ec82@mattgillen.net>

On 4/13/2021 3:07 PM, Gregory Galperin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 02:38:14PM -0400, Matthew Gillen wrote:
>> So the issue seems to be that the systemd-resolved stub resolver doesn't
>> support giving the full signed record to delv like the nss-resolver does.
> 
> allegedly fixed in trunk 7 weeks ago:
>     https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/18714
> --grg

Gregory's google-foo is better than mine...looks like I need to either
wait for it to be backported or update to F34.

Thanks,
Matt

From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 18:14:49 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:14:49 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] Boston Linux VIRTUAL Meeting Wednesday, April 21,
 2021 - Larks' Tongues in ASCII
Message-ID: <aca80049-8e93-0fa4-d0ee-8603b0bab8ff@gmail.com>

When:April 21, 2021 7:00PM EDT (6:30PM for Q&A)
Topic: Larks' Tongues in ASCII
Moderators: Kurt Keville,? Eliot Eshelman

Location: Online: https://meet.jit.si/blu.org

Live stream: https://youtu.be/V2oycK_1Wlc

Summary:

Updates Updates on HPC, Supercomputing, and Cluster Computing, plus B.U. 
Student Cluster Contest team


Abstract:

More details will be added later

Bio
Eliot's interests span from astrophysics to bacteriophages; 
high-performance computers to small spherical magnets. He's been an avid 
Linux geek (with a focus on HPC) for more than a decade. He works as 
Microway's Vice President of Strategic Accounts and HPC Initiatives.

For further information and directions please consult the BLU Web site:
http://www.blu.org

--
Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com <mailto:gaf.linux at gmail.com>>
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From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 13:38:05 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
In-Reply-To: <CAAbKA3UgxZh1SVJ5bGBye6miZ8mQePBzvusrY0ByLU0vDEPm2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAbKA3UgxZh1SVJ5bGBye6miZ8mQePBzvusrY0ByLU0vDEPm2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEvgogHN8DNydans-70f=5DsfRD1xb-r1T4xAEFcP5vVwz3c_g@mail.gmail.com>

The first BCS mail server was xenix then upgraded to Sco Unix. I had SCO
Unix on my home computer years ago. I think the server was an unused IBM
PS2.

--
Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
B B6E7

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:50 AM Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some of us are old enough to remember The Santa Cruz Operation was the
> preferred provider of legally licensed System III Unix or Xenix. (Before
> the Caldera folks did the reverse merge taking the good name.)
>
> We ran that on Onyx Z8000 for dev servers back when, and I had a client
> with System III on a 386 with two 8xSerial cards.
>
> Alas this story of the zombie arising yet again to eat more brainz is on
> too many sites to be April Fools but it should be!
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:06 Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We remember the ongoing suit of SCO vs IBM which also was an attack on
>> Linux. And we remember, The SCO Group which was originally the Linux
>> distro
>> Caldera. Many of us watched Groklaw religiously. I guess it is time for a
>> new web site.
>>
>>
>> The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright, antitrust lawsuit from SCO
>> Group
>> successor Xinuos.
>>
>> https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/ibm_redhat_xinuos/
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
>> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
>> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
>> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
>> B B6E7
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.blu.org
>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>

From epp at caramail.com  Thu Apr 22 13:43:44 2021
From: epp at caramail.com (Edward)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:43:44 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
In-Reply-To: <CAEvgogHN8DNydans-70f=5DsfRD1xb-r1T4xAEFcP5vVwz3c_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAbKA3UgxZh1SVJ5bGBye6miZ8mQePBzvusrY0ByLU0vDEPm2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEvgogHN8DNydans-70f=5DsfRD1xb-r1T4xAEFcP5vVwz3c_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a0f6e0ab-2fec-6c69-60fa-fed2fff01472@caramail.com>

Paging Groklaw...


On 4/22/21 1:38 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> The first BCS mail server was xenix then upgraded to Sco Unix. I had SCO
> Unix on my home computer years ago. I think the server was an unused IBM
> PS2.
>
> --
> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> B B6E7
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:50 AM Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of us are old enough to remember The Santa Cruz Operation was the
>> preferred provider of legally licensed System III Unix or Xenix. (Before
>> the Caldera folks did the reverse merge taking the good name.)
>>
>> We ran that on Onyx Z8000 for dev servers back when, and I had a client
>> with System III on a 386 with two 8xSerial cards.
>>
>> Alas this story of the zombie arising yet again to eat more brainz is on
>> too many sites to be April Fools but it should be!

--
Linux. A Continual Learning Experience.


From jabr at blu.org  Thu Apr 22 16:15:17 2021
From: jabr at blu.org (John Abreau)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
In-Reply-To: <CAEvgogHN8DNydans-70f=5DsfRD1xb-r1T4xAEFcP5vVwz3c_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAbKA3UgxZh1SVJ5bGBye6miZ8mQePBzvusrY0ByLU0vDEPm2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEvgogHN8DNydans-70f=5DsfRD1xb-r1T4xAEFcP5vVwz3c_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+h9Qs5ZLC=qdOQuXh=4X=DaisdHbGwvGbTqVOxD+H0TA_rqLw@mail.gmail.com>

That's not entirely accurate. I attempted to build the first BCS mail
server on a Xenix system, but never got it working, as Xenix was neither
BSD nor System V, and the system we had didn't include any developer tools,
so I was unable to compile and install sendmail.

I eventually dropped Xenix and installed a DOS BBS called WAFFLE that
exchanged email via UUCP and used Internet style RFC822 email addresses.
The WAFFLE system was our first mail server.

A year later, Mike DeGenio, the BCS Resource Center Manager, approved my
request to use the NeXT machine in the BCS Resource Center to replace the
WAFFLE system. Originally we had planned on running it as the mail server
without removing it from use in the Resource Center, but then the
leadership of the BCS NeXT SIG unilaterally decided to sabotage the project
by locking me out of the system.

To be fair, I had tried an experiment that broke the window system, and I
was too exhausted after a very long day at the BCS office to diagnose the
problem, so I figured I'd go home and fix it the next day when I was
rested. I emailed the NeXT SIG's leaders before I headed home to let them
know, and when I arrived the next day, I found they had sent me an email
demanding that I leave it alone and let them fix it. I didn't want to step
on any toes, so I left it to them. A few days later I discovered that they
locked me out by changing the root password and adding a BIOS lockout to
prevent single-user booting, but they didn't fix the window system.

Mike DeGenio lost his temper after hearing about that, then he pulled the
machine out of the Resource Center entirely and told me to just make it a
dedicated mail server. Bypassing the BIOS lockout took about an hour of
digging through USENET for FAQs about the NeXT machine. After that, since I
wasn't overly tired, it took just a few minutes to figure out what went
wrong and to restore the window system.

In any case, the NeXT machine was the second BCS mail server, and a year
later, after the BCS office moved from Cambridge to Waltham, we replaced
the NeXT machine with a Slackware Linux mail server.


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:

> The first BCS mail server was xenix then upgraded to Sco Unix. I had SCO
> Unix on my home computer years ago. I think the server was an unused IBM
> PS2.
>
> --
> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> B B6E7
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:50 AM Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Some of us are old enough to remember The Santa Cruz Operation was the
> > preferred provider of legally licensed System III Unix or Xenix. (Before
> > the Caldera folks did the reverse merge taking the good name.)
> >
> > We ran that on Onyx Z8000 for dev servers back when, and I had a client
> > with System III on a 386 with two 8xSerial cards.
> >
> > Alas this story of the zombie arising yet again to eat more brainz is on
> > too many sites to be April Fools but it should be!
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:06 Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We remember the ongoing suit of SCO vs IBM which also was an attack on
> >> Linux. And we remember, The SCO Group which was originally the Linux
> >> distro
> >> Caldera. Many of us watched Groklaw religiously. I guess it is time for
> a
> >> new web site.
> >>
> >>
> >> The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright, antitrust lawsuit from SCO
> >> Group
> >> successor Xinuos.
> >>
> >>
> https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/ibm_redhat_xinuos/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
> >> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> >> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> >> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> >> B B6E7
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.blu.org
> >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.blu.org
> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


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From jabr at blu.org  Thu Apr 22 16:20:58 2021
From: jabr at blu.org (John Abreau)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:20:58 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
In-Reply-To: <CA+h9Qs5ZLC=qdOQuXh=4X=DaisdHbGwvGbTqVOxD+H0TA_rqLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEvgogFP-eeGV9BHZ44UgG-Tv7uZ-vz4pgNHkA3y8SONwpPxqA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAbKA3UgxZh1SVJ5bGBye6miZ8mQePBzvusrY0ByLU0vDEPm2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEvgogHN8DNydans-70f=5DsfRD1xb-r1T4xAEFcP5vVwz3c_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+h9Qs5ZLC=qdOQuXh=4X=DaisdHbGwvGbTqVOxD+H0TA_rqLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+h9Qs4xUWueDQQkdqcivC0RUmPXsxMoUdVYgkuyt3n=zOxCdw@mail.gmail.com>

Now that I think about it, we also tried SCO Unix after trying Xenix; that
may have been the one where I couldn't install sendmail. In any case, the
DOS-based WAFFLE system was the system that we finally got working and that
became the first BCS mail server.


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:15 PM John Abreau <jabr at blu.org> wrote:

> That's not entirely accurate. I attempted to build the first BCS mail
> server on a Xenix system, but never got it working, as Xenix was neither
> BSD nor System V, and the system we had didn't include any developer tools,
> so I was unable to compile and install sendmail.
>
> I eventually dropped Xenix and installed a DOS BBS called WAFFLE that
> exchanged email via UUCP and used Internet style RFC822 email addresses.
> The WAFFLE system was our first mail server.
>
> A year later, Mike DeGenio, the BCS Resource Center Manager, approved my
> request to use the NeXT machine in the BCS Resource Center to replace the
> WAFFLE system. Originally we had planned on running it as the mail server
> without removing it from use in the Resource Center, but then the
> leadership of the BCS NeXT SIG unilaterally decided to sabotage the project
> by locking me out of the system.
>
> To be fair, I had tried an experiment that broke the window system, and I
> was too exhausted after a very long day at the BCS office to diagnose the
> problem, so I figured I'd go home and fix it the next day when I was
> rested. I emailed the NeXT SIG's leaders before I headed home to let them
> know, and when I arrived the next day, I found they had sent me an email
> demanding that I leave it alone and let them fix it. I didn't want to step
> on any toes, so I left it to them. A few days later I discovered that they
> locked me out by changing the root password and adding a BIOS lockout to
> prevent single-user booting, but they didn't fix the window system.
>
> Mike DeGenio lost his temper after hearing about that, then he pulled the
> machine out of the Resource Center entirely and told me to just make it a
> dedicated mail server. Bypassing the BIOS lockout took about an hour of
> digging through USENET for FAQs about the NeXT machine. After that, since I
> wasn't overly tired, it took just a few minutes to figure out what went
> wrong and to restore the window system.
>
> In any case, the NeXT machine was the second BCS mail server, and a year
> later, after the BCS office moved from Cambridge to Waltham, we replaced
> the NeXT machine with a Slackware Linux mail server.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The first BCS mail server was xenix then upgraded to Sco Unix. I had SCO
>> Unix on my home computer years ago. I think the server was an unused IBM
>> PS2.
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
>> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
>> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
>> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
>> B B6E7
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:50 AM Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Some of us are old enough to remember The Santa Cruz Operation was the
>> > preferred provider of legally licensed System III Unix or Xenix. (Before
>> > the Caldera folks did the reverse merge taking the good name.)
>> >
>> > We ran that on Onyx Z8000 for dev servers back when, and I had a client
>> > with System III on a 386 with two 8xSerial cards.
>> >
>> > Alas this story of the zombie arising yet again to eat more brainz is on
>> > too many sites to be April Fools but it should be!
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:06 Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> We remember the ongoing suit of SCO vs IBM which also was an attack on
>> >> Linux. And we remember, The SCO Group which was originally the Linux
>> >> distro
>> >> Caldera. Many of us watched Groklaw religiously. I guess it is time
>> for a
>> >> new web site.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright, antitrust lawsuit from SCO
>> >> Group
>> >> successor Xinuos.
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/ibm_redhat_xinuos/
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
>> >> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
>> >> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
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>> >
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From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 16:31:23 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
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Xenix kept crashing. And SCO Unix was just too big for the PS2. But, JABR's
waffle installation worked.

If I recall, xenix was initially a Microsoft product before they spun it
off to SCO.

--
Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
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PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
B B6E7

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:21 PM John Abreau <jabr at blu.org> wrote:

> Now that I think about it, we also tried SCO Unix after trying Xenix; that
> may have been the one where I couldn't install sendmail. In any case, the
> DOS-based WAFFLE system was the system that we finally got working and that
> became the first BCS mail server.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:15 PM John Abreau <jabr at blu.org> wrote:
>
>> That's not entirely accurate. I attempted to build the first BCS mail
>> server on a Xenix system, but never got it working, as Xenix was neither
>> BSD nor System V, and the system we had didn't include any developer tools,
>> so I was unable to compile and install sendmail.
>>
>> I eventually dropped Xenix and installed a DOS BBS called WAFFLE that
>> exchanged email via UUCP and used Internet style RFC822 email addresses.
>> The WAFFLE system was our first mail server.
>>
>> A year later, Mike DeGenio, the BCS Resource Center Manager, approved my
>> request to use the NeXT machine in the BCS Resource Center to replace the
>> WAFFLE system. Originally we had planned on running it as the mail server
>> without removing it from use in the Resource Center, but then the
>> leadership of the BCS NeXT SIG unilaterally decided to sabotage the project
>> by locking me out of the system.
>>
>> To be fair, I had tried an experiment that broke the window system, and I
>> was too exhausted after a very long day at the BCS office to diagnose the
>> problem, so I figured I'd go home and fix it the next day when I was
>> rested. I emailed the NeXT SIG's leaders before I headed home to let them
>> know, and when I arrived the next day, I found they had sent me an email
>> demanding that I leave it alone and let them fix it. I didn't want to step
>> on any toes, so I left it to them. A few days later I discovered that they
>> locked me out by changing the root password and adding a BIOS lockout to
>> prevent single-user booting, but they didn't fix the window system.
>>
>> Mike DeGenio lost his temper after hearing about that, then he pulled the
>> machine out of the Resource Center entirely and told me to just make it a
>> dedicated mail server. Bypassing the BIOS lockout took about an hour of
>> digging through USENET for FAQs about the NeXT machine. After that, since I
>> wasn't overly tired, it took just a few minutes to figure out what went
>> wrong and to restore the window system.
>>
>> In any case, the NeXT machine was the second BCS mail server, and a year
>> later, after the BCS office moved from Cambridge to Waltham, we replaced
>> the NeXT machine with a Slackware Linux mail server.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The first BCS mail server was xenix then upgraded to Sco Unix. I had SCO
>>> Unix on my home computer years ago. I think the server was an unused IBM
>>> PS2.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
>>> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
>>> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
>>> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
>>> B B6E7
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:50 AM Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Some of us are old enough to remember The Santa Cruz Operation was the
>>> > preferred provider of legally licensed System III Unix or Xenix.
>>> (Before
>>> > the Caldera folks did the reverse merge taking the good name.)
>>> >
>>> > We ran that on Onyx Z8000 for dev servers back when, and I had a client
>>> > with System III on a 386 with two 8xSerial cards.
>>> >
>>> > Alas this story of the zombie arising yet again to eat more brainz is
>>> on
>>> > too many sites to be April Fools but it should be!
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:06 Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> We remember the ongoing suit of SCO vs IBM which also was an attack on
>>> >> Linux. And we remember, The SCO Group which was originally the Linux
>>> >> distro
>>> >> Caldera. Many of us watched Groklaw religiously. I guess it is time
>>> for a
>>> >> new web site.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright, antitrust lawsuit from SCO
>>> >> Group
>>> >> successor Xinuos.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/ibm_redhat_xinuos/
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com>
>>> >> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
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>>> >> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
>>> >> B B6E7
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> Discuss at lists.blu.org
>>> >> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.blu.org
>>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23  C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Email jabr at blu.org / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0x920063C6
> PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23  C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6
>
>

From gruntly at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 19:46:58 2021
From: gruntly at gmail.com (gruntly at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:46:58 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] The Register: IBM, Red Hat face copyright,
 antitrust lawsuit from SCO Group successor Xinuos
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:18 PM John Abreau <jabr at blu.org> wrote:
> I eventually dropped Xenix and installed a DOS BBS called WAFFLE that
> exchanged email via UUCP and used Internet style RFC822 email addresses.
> The WAFFLE system was our first mail server.

I remember WAFFLE! Loved it. My first introduction to the architecture
of email and Usenet News. Couldn't help learning a lot of stuff that
came in handy when I encountered Unix soon after. Never had much
interest in the whole bulletin-board stuff. But WAFFLE (and my trusty
Telebit Worldblazer modem) served me email and News for many years.

Thanks for the memories!

Theodore Ruegsegger

From richard.pieri at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 20:19:26 2021
From: richard.pieri at gmail.com (Rich Pieri)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 20:19:26 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] GUI apps in WSL 2
Message-ID: <6082128f.1c69fb81.67a5d.4d39@mx.google.com>

It exists:

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-initial-preview-of-gui-app-support-is-now-available-for-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-2/ 

-- 
Rich Pieri

From david at thekramers.net  Sat Apr 24 02:51:36 2021
From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] GUI apps in WSL 2
In-Reply-To: <6082128f.1c69fb81.67a5d.4d39@mx.google.com>
References: <6082128f.1c69fb81.67a5d.4d39@mx.google.com>
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I saw this yesterday.? I'm curious to play with it, but I really don't 
have much practical use for it.? Not clear to me whether it's just a 
Linux VM.

On 4/22/21 8:19 PM, Rich Pieri wrote:
> It exists:
>
> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-initial-preview-of-gui-app-support-is-now-available-for-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-2/
>

From bill.n1vux at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 13:34:18 2021
From: bill.n1vux at gmail.com (Bill Ricker)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:34:18 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] GUI apps in WSL 2
In-Reply-To: <9af847e6-c5e8-16de-4918-429bca85d65f@thekramers.net>
References: <6082128f.1c69fb81.67a5d.4d39@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAbKA3XxJKMXmUptb6i4W5oV7Fjp+Tg=5BFJiP-PnQ1Wr_-c3w@mail.gmail.com>

This confuses me, because a Linux c++ Dev I know said he had tested his GUI
app running on WSL last year. (Mike C. of Fotoxx, the intentional photo
editor. )

I'd have to read closely to see what's different now.

From richard.pieri at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 13:59:55 2021
From: richard.pieri at gmail.com (Rich Pieri)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:59:55 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] GUI apps in WSL 2
In-Reply-To: <CAAbKA3XxJKMXmUptb6i4W5oV7Fjp+Tg=5BFJiP-PnQ1Wr_-c3w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:34:18 -0400
Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd have to read closely to see what's different now.

What's different in a nutshell is that the upcoming WSL 2 kernel VM
includes the XWayland server, the Weston stack, Pulse Audio, and an RDP
server to connect these to the Windows desktop. Full OpenGL
acceleration, full audio I/O.

-- 
Rich Pieri

From bill.n1vux at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 14:14:20 2021
From: bill.n1vux at gmail.com (Bill Ricker)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 14:14:20 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] GUI apps in WSL 2
In-Reply-To: <60845c9c.1c69fb81.64560.9c71@mx.google.com>
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:01 PM Rich Pieri <richard.pieri at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:34:18 -0400
> Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd have to read closely to see what's different now.
>
> What's different in a nutshell is that the upcoming WSL 2 kernel VM
> includes the XWayland server, the Weston stack, Pulse Audio, and an RDP
> server to connect these to the Windows desktop. Full OpenGL
> acceleration, full audio I/O.


Ahh.  So makes it easier for most apps to run as if native. Mike did it the
hard way.
Thanks.

From david at thekramers.net  Thu Apr 29 21:57:11 2021
From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:57:11 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] Flashback humor: Shouting in the Datacenter
Message-ID: <b721e2c4-4166-09fe-adeb-43f9cf7411c4@thekramers.net>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4