From malassimilation at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 12:47:11 2021
From: malassimilation at gmail.com (Bill Horne)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 12:47:11 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Please help with a PHP and/or Apache2 problem
Message-ID: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>

Thanks for reading this. I appreciate your time.

I'm the moderator of The Telecom Digest <http://telecom-digest.org/>, 
and I publish an archive of the Digest's back issues.

I've noticed a problem with the archive: the Digest uses the ISO-8859-1 
character set, but somehow the archives aren't using it, at least in my 
Chrome browser Version 88.0.4324.150 under W10.

Please compare the result you get from both of these URL's ...

http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.php 
<http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.php>

http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38 
<http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38>

The first URL shows today's Digest, with some question marks in place of 
accented characters. The second appears to be normal.

The "a2.php" file is a stripped-down version of our usual archive 
retrieval code. It is shown below.

> <?php
> include "[redacted]/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38";
> ?>

The question is "why?"? All suggestions welcome.

Bill

-- 
Bill Horne


From richard.pieri at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 13:11:58 2021
From: richard.pieri at gmail.com (Rich Pieri)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:58 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Please help with a PHP and/or Apache2 problem
In-Reply-To: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>
References: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60202d6f.1c69fb81.6ad84.2388@mx.google.com>

On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 12:47:11 -0500
Bill Horne <malassimilation at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please compare the result you get from both of these URL's ...
> 
> http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.php 
> 
> http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38 

I see no difference:

$ wget -q http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.
php
$ wget -q http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38
$ file a2.php V40-38
a2.php: HTML document, ISO-8859 text
V40-38: HTML document, ISO-8859 text
$ diff a2.php V40-38
$

-- 
Rich Pieri

From alex at pennace.org  Sun Feb  7 13:13:43 2021
From: alex at pennace.org (Alex Pennace)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:13:43 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Please help with a PHP and/or Apache2 problem
In-Reply-To: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>
References: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20210207181343.GC621@buick.pennace.org>

On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 12:47:11PM -0500, Bill Horne wrote:
> Thanks for reading this. I appreciate your time.
> 
> I'm the moderator of The Telecom Digest <http://telecom-digest.org/>, and I
> publish an archive of the Digest's back issues.
> 
> I've noticed a problem with the archive: the Digest uses the ISO-8859-1
> character set, but somehow the archives aren't using it, at least in my
> Chrome browser Version 88.0.4324.150 under W10.
> 
> Please compare the result you get from both of these URL's ...
> 
> http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.php
> <http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.php>
> 
> http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38
> <http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38>
> 
> The first URL shows today's Digest, with some question marks in place of
> accented characters. The second appears to be normal.
> 
> The "a2.php" file is a stripped-down version of our usual archive retrieval
> code. It is shown below.
> 
> > <?php
> > include "[redacted]/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38";
> > ?>
> 
> The question is "why?"? All suggestions welcome.

The telecom-digest.org web server sends back the following header for the
a2.php URL:

alex at buick:~$ GET -ed http://telecom-digest.org/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/a2.php
200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 18:10:39 GMT
Server: Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu)
Vary: Accept-Encoding
Content-Length: 5705
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Client-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 18:10:39 GMT
Client-Peer: 128.31.0.70:80
Client-Response-Num: 1
Title: The Telecom Digest

alex at buick:~$

The "charset=UTF-8" part is the clue. It tells web browsers "this page is
in UTF-8." The problem is the content isn't encoded in UTF-8, it is
encoded in ISO-8859-1 (as you note).

Completely untested, but try this:

<?php
header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1');
include "[redacted]/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38";
?>

-- 
Alex Pennace, alex at pennace.org

From malassimilation at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 16:31:05 2021
From: malassimilation at gmail.com (Bill Horne)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:31:05 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Please help with a PHP and/or Apache2 problem
In-Reply-To: <20210207181343.GC621@buick.pennace.org>
References: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>
 <20210207181343.GC621@buick.pennace.org>
Message-ID: <44e0e029-3da7-cd56-3a2d-bda68743d3ed@gmail.com>

On 2/7/2021 1:13 PM, Alex Pennace wrote:
> try this:
>
> <?php
> header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1');
> include "[redacted]/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38";
> ?>


Alex, that cured the problem. THANK YOU for you help and expertise.

The archived html file contains a line which I thought would send the 
same info:

<html>

	<head>

	<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1">

Please tell me if the use of "META" tags is deprecated, and why it works 
on files which aren't included via PHP code. I'd also like to know where 
the "utf-8" response from Apache2 is set.

Thank you again!

Bill



From alex at pennace.org  Sun Feb  7 21:58:06 2021
From: alex at pennace.org (Alex Pennace)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Please help with a PHP and/or Apache2 problem
In-Reply-To: <44e0e029-3da7-cd56-3a2d-bda68743d3ed@gmail.com>
References: <06ab24f0-ab46-350f-36ae-365a1a7b0f94@gmail.com>
 <20210207181343.GC621@buick.pennace.org>
 <44e0e029-3da7-cd56-3a2d-bda68743d3ed@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20210208025806.GD621@buick.pennace.org>

On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 04:31:05PM -0500, Bill Horne wrote:
> On 2/7/2021 1:13 PM, Alex Pennace wrote:
> > try this:
> > 
> > <?php
> > header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1');
> > include "[redacted]/archives/back.issues/recent.single.issues/V40-38";
> > ?>
> 
> 
> Alex, that cured the problem. THANK YOU for you help and expertise.

No problem!

> The archived html file contains a line which I thought would send the same
> info:
> 
> <html>
> 
> 	<head>
> 
> 	<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1">
> 
> Please tell me if the use of "META" tags is deprecated, and why it works on
> files which aren't included via PHP code. I'd also like to know where the
> "utf-8" response from Apache2 is set.

Answering the questions out of order:

Where is the "utf-8" default set: I believe it would be somewhere in
PHP itself. Note that the non-PHP URL (presumably served directly by
Apache) does not have a "Content-Type" HTTP header at all. Which leads
us to:

What is going on with meta tags: Evidently[1], the browsers we are using
use the Content-Type HTTP header's value for the charset, else use the
Content-Type meta tag in the HTML[2]. The non-PHP URLs don't have a
Content-Type HTTP header, so the browser goes by the meta tag. The PHP
URLs did set a Content-Type header, which overrides the meta tag.

A debate on Stack Overflow seems to yield an answer of using both HTTP
header and meta tag (naturally, both should be the same value):
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9417024/response-header-vs-meta-tag

https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#pragma-directives
tells us that both the "Content-Type" http-equiv attribute and the
distinct charset attribute are valid HTML, however, it seems to insist
on the use of UTF-8 as the only allowed character encoding.
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#charset goes
further and states "To enforce the above rules, authoring tools must
default to using UTF-8 for newly-created documents." On the other
hand, a quick read[3] of https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/#preface
suggests that the WHATWG acknowledges that there will be pages with
legacy encodings forever, and offer some direction for how browsers
should cope with them.

It seems the the powers that be want a UTF-8-only future. There is a
nod to keep things working for legacy content. But the practical
consequence of this direction is a shrinking body of non-UTF-8 pages
on the web, and consequently a declining quantity of non-UTF-8
examples to test and qualify web browsers with (a web browser that
doesn't work with 50% of web pages won't ship, but one that doesn't
work with 0.01% of web pages might still squeak out into the
world). https://archive.is/6eNfW tells us that as of today, 96.3% of
web pages are UTF-8, versus 1.5% for ISO-8859-1.

What does this mean for sites with legacy content, such as the Telecom
Digest? Depends on what is on the page:

* Since ASCII is a subset of ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8, pages that are
  ASCII only will work regardless, and will work until long after
  something comes along to deprecate ASCII and UTF-8. That will happen
  approximately never.
* The remaining Telecom Digest pages that use non-ASCII ISO-8859-1
  characters may encounter a problem in the future where some random
  browser was implemented by someone who has no concept of non-UTF-8
  charsets. But given that the standards body believes in supporting
  legacy charsets indefinitely, I'd file a bug with said browser maker
  telling them to fix their product (the alternative is to do iconv
  conversion on the server and serve everything as UTF-8. But that
  doesn't solve the problem for all legacy web pages, just yours).

[1] Before today I actually never gave thought about the meta tag for
this purpose. This was a learning experience for me, too.

[2] I don't know if this behavior is applicable to all browsers, and I
don't know what charset browsers default to if neither HTTP header or
meta tag are available. It wouldn't be impossible to find out
empirically, of course.

[3] Please read it more thoroughly, I may have missed something that
would suggest a completely different conclusion!

-- 
Alex Pennace, alex at pennace.org

From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 10:50:05 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Boston Linux VIRTUAL Meeting Wednesday, February 17,
 2021 - What's New With CentOS
Message-ID: <0980a553-8c67-9040-2cdd-1e6baba63550@gmail.com>

When: February 17, 2021 7:00PM EST (6:30PM for Q&A)
Topic: What's New With CentOS
Moderator: Rob Wilmoth Chief Architect, North American Service 
Providers, Red Hat Software
 ? Note: Rob has a hard conflict at 7:30PM.

Location: Online: https://meet.jit.si/blu.org

Live stream: https://youtu.be/aERk-mW980k

Summary:

Update on recent changes to CentOS

Abstract:

Rob Wilmoth conducts an informal discussion on the Red Hat Developer, 
the reorganization of the CentOS project, and how you and your 
organization can benefit from these changes. This will be a panel 
discussion. We will try to get additional experts.

For further information and directions please consult the BLU Web site:
http://www.blu.org

--
Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com <mailto:gaf.linux at gmail.com>>
Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
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From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 07:39:12 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:39:12 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Boston Linux VIRTUAL Meeting Reminder, today Wednesday,
 February 17, 2021 - What's New With CentOS
Message-ID: <19c92798-fd80-7c87-38fe-7c964820979c@gmail.com>

When: February 17, 2021 7:00PM EST (6:30PM for Q&A)
Topic: What's New With CentOS
Moderators: Rob Wilmoth Chief Architect, North American Service 
Providers, Red Hat Software
 ? Note: Rob has a hard conflict at 7:30PM.
Gregory Kurtzer , Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation
Brian Clemens , Project Manager , Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation
Leigh Hennig , Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation

Location: Online: https://meet.jit.si/blu.org

Live stream: https://youtu.be/aERk-mW980k

Summary:

Update on recent changes to CentOS

Abstract:

Rob Wilmoth conducts an informal discussion on the Red Hat Developer, 
the reorganization of the CentOS project, and how you and your 
organization can benefit from these changes.
In addition, Brian Clemens from Rocky Linux, Gregory Kurtzer, and Leigh 
Henning from Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation will present, Rocky 
Linux, a replacement for CentOS.

Rocky Linux website: https://rockylinux.org/

For further information and directions please consult the BLU Web site:
http://www.blu.org

--
Jerry Feldman <gaf.linux at gmail.com <mailto:gaf.linux at gmail.com>>
Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
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From abreauj at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 19:02:20 2021
From: abreauj at gmail.com (John Abreau)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 19:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Tonight's BLU meeting is livestreaming
Message-ID: <CAFv2jcYfi8YsWFvFV-zdOSp_zHJ=QnbGDg6h95=TTE=7eeYYHA@mail.gmail.com>

Tonight's BLU meeting on CentOS is in session. The YouTube live stream can
be viewed at

https://youtu.be/aERk-mW980k


-- 
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Email: abreauj at gmail.com / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0x920063C6
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From me at mattgillen.net  Thu Feb 18 09:49:55 2021
From: me at mattgillen.net (Matthew Gillen)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:49:55 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Tonight's BLU meeting is livestreaming
In-Reply-To: <CAFv2jcYfi8YsWFvFV-zdOSp_zHJ=QnbGDg6h95=TTE=7eeYYHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFv2jcYfi8YsWFvFV-zdOSp_zHJ=QnbGDg6h95=TTE=7eeYYHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec31778d-0fe7-8974-e347-c1bd1f85a792@mattgillen.net>

On 2/17/2021 7:02 PM, John Abreau wrote:
> Tonight's BLU meeting on CentOS is in session. The YouTube live stream can
> be viewed at
> 
> https://youtu.be/aERk-mW980k


Great meeting last night!

I watched after the fact on youtube (have too many little ones to be
dealing with during the live broadcast time). I know someone got a copy
of slides since they were hard to see on the recording; poked around on
blu.org but didn't know where exactly I should be looking or if I am
just too much of an eager beaver and need to just wait a little longer.

Thanks,
Matt

From gaf.linux at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 09:54:27 2021
From: gaf.linux at gmail.com (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Tonight's BLU meeting is livestreaming
In-Reply-To: <ec31778d-0fe7-8974-e347-c1bd1f85a792@mattgillen.net>
References: <CAFv2jcYfi8YsWFvFV-zdOSp_zHJ=QnbGDg6h95=TTE=7eeYYHA@mail.gmail.com>
 <ec31778d-0fe7-8974-e347-c1bd1f85a792@mattgillen.net>
Message-ID: <CAEvgogFFRJY77c7XTso-tLUkKFa4ttiQuBjy6TxmW2KWXmYWTg@mail.gmail.com>

We should be able to post the slides online shortly.

--
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Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
B B6E7

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 9:52 AM Matthew Gillen <me at mattgillen.net> wrote:

> On 2/17/2021 7:02 PM, John Abreau wrote:
> > Tonight's BLU meeting on CentOS is in session. The YouTube live stream
> can
> > be viewed at
> >
> > https://youtu.be/aERk-mW980k
>
>
> Great meeting last night!
>
> I watched after the fact on youtube (have too many little ones to be
> dealing with during the live broadcast time). I know someone got a copy
> of slides since they were hard to see on the recording; poked around on
> blu.org but didn't know where exactly I should be looking or if I am
> just too much of an eager beaver and need to just wait a little longer.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.blu.org
> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>

From eric.chadbourne at icloud.com  Sat Feb 20 20:01:06 2021
From: eric.chadbourne at icloud.com (Eric Chadbourne)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 20:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] mobile phone preference question
Message-ID: <5DCB03E5-14D3-4833-964A-CDC9EF3E5663@icloud.com>

Anybody here use a mobile phone as a daily driver that is not iOS or Android?  If yes, what do you think?

My iPhone is long in the tooth and I have no desire to try and fix it.  Use case is to be mostly used as a hot spot for my GNU/Linux laptop and iPad.  I call and text occasionally. Currently on Verizon due to location.

Not long ago I had an inexpensive Alcatel with some tiny OS that seemed to do little.  It had an FM radio and replaceable battery.  It was so luxurious I think those two features should be mandated by law.  

Thanks for tips!

Eric Chadbourne

From bill.n1vux at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 01:14:21 2021
From: bill.n1vux at gmail.com (Bill Ricker)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] mobile phone preference question
In-Reply-To: <5DCB03E5-14D3-4833-964A-CDC9EF3E5663@icloud.com>
References: <5DCB03E5-14D3-4833-964A-CDC9EF3E5663@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAAbKA3U=UeRiJLS81Zz+DrezddRt4cC4bJcdf2bHEsqouuv2WA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 8:02 PM Eric Chadbourne <eric.chadbourne at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Anybody here use a mobile phone as a daily driver that is not iOS or
> Android?  If yes, what do you think?
>

I like having a phone that's a phone, camera that's a camera, and a tablet
that is a tablet, each with its own battery so when one is used up they
don't all fail.
So i'm still using a flip phone.
T-Mobile's 4GLTE CoolPad is sold under other names elsewhere, it may well
be Alcatel inside. It is capable of sharing its Internet (tethering) either
as a HotSpot or USB.

(I also have a WAP hotspot, so that the phone isn't running down its
battery in hotspot mode.)

Alas i'm finding it's getting hard to find Android tablets that have
GPS/SATNAV and don't have cellphone chip.
My next tablet upgrade may have to be one with a SIM slot that I don't put
a SIM into.

(OTOH I am finding Google Maps' live traffic is quite helpful, so while the
GPS is in logging mode, i'm using the Android tablet with mag-mount for
navigation -- as a self-orienting map, often muting the talking lady except
for exceptional notices. And the best camera is the one you always have
with you. I'll take a picture with a tablet if i don't have even my
smallest EVIL MILC with.)

From eric.chadbourne at icloud.com  Mon Feb 22 14:20:31 2021
From: eric.chadbourne at icloud.com (Eric Chadbourne)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:20:31 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] mobile phone preference question
Message-ID: <D7FE226C-AFBC-43B3-B36C-A63ECBC53EA9@icloud.com>

?That is an excellent price point.  Thanks for the tip.

Eric Chadbourne


> On Feb 20, 2021, at 9:48 PM, Dick Miller <TheMillers at millermicro.com> wrote:
> ? Hi, Eric:
> 
> Not quite a match to your question, but perhaps a great fit anyway...
> 
> We use and recommend LG V30 or V30+ smartphones (LS998, unlocked or for your carrier), which are available in fine used condition for about $100-150 at eBay and elsewhere. This is a flagship model with unusually good audio via a standard 3.5-mm. stereo jack, and camera capabilities so good that I no longer use far more expensive cameras. LG's own LG FM Radio app works fine, as do some Android alternatives.
> 
> The LG V30 does not have a slide-out battery, but replacement batteries are inexpensive and easy instructions (using a hair dryer to open the back cover) are available.
> 
> Cheers from
> --Dick Miller, Partner, MMS <TheMillers at millermicro.com>
>   	Co-Leader, FOSS User Group at Natick Community-Senior Center
> 
> Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, non-proprietary, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, virus-resistant, free open-source software, Linux PC - with Ubuntu 20.10/Unity 7.5 and Fotoxx 21 .
> 
> 
> On 2/20/21 8:01 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote:
>> Anybody here use a mobile phone as a daily driver that is not iOS or Android?  If yes, what do you think?
>> 
>> My iPhone is long in the tooth and I have no desire to try and fix it.  Use case is to be mostly used as a hot spot for my GNU/Linux laptop and iPad.  I call and text occasionally. Currently on Verizon due to location.
>> 
>> Not long ago I had an inexpensive Alcatel with some tiny OS that seemed to do little.  It had an FM radio and replaceable battery.  It was so luxurious I think those two features should be mandated by law.  
>> 
>> Thanks for tips!
>> 
>> Eric Chadbourne
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.blu.org
>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

From jdm at moylan.us  Tue Feb 23 16:22:46 2021
From: jdm at moylan.us (dan moylan)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 16:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] abcde
Message-ID: <YDVyJl7BcEKSasER@aldeberon.localdomain>


running fc33 on asus aspire, installed abcde, executed the
following:

  abcde -omp3 -k 1

and am getting the following errors:

read error: sector=3069 length=1 retry=6
                 Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
                 Transport error: (null)
                 System error: No such device
scsi_read error: sector=3069 length=1 retry=7
                 Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
                 Transport error: (null)
                 System error: No such device
scsi_read error: sector=3069 length=1 retry=8
                 Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
                 Transport error: (null)
                 System error: No such device
scsi_read error: sector=3096 length=27 retry=0
                 Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
                 Transport error: (null)
                 System error: No such device

        ......

 (== PROGRESS == [VeVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV| 013169 00 ] == :^D * ==)

Done.


Encoding track 1 of 14: Track 1...
LAME 3.100 64bits (http://lame.sf.net)
Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 16538 Hz - 17071 Hz
Encoding /home/moylan/MUSIC/tst/abcde.c10a4a0e/track1.wav
      to /home/moylan/MUSIC/tst/abcde.c10a4a0e/track1.mp3
Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) 128 kbps qval=3
    Frame          |  CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU |    ETA
  6708/6708  (100%)|    0:01/    0:01|    0:01/    0:01|   117.73x|    0:00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   kbps        MS  %     long  %
  128.0      100.0       100.0
Writing LAME Tag...done
ReplayGain: +64.8dB
WARNING: ReplayGain exceeds the -51dB to +51dB range. Such a result is too
         high to be stored in the header.
Tagging track 1 of 14: Track 1...
/home/moylan/MUSIC/tst/abcde.c10a4a0e/track1.mp3                   [ 2.67 MB ]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Setting artist: Track 1
Setting album: Unknown Album
Setting title: Track 1
Setting genre: 255
eyed3.id3:WARNING: Invalid numeric genre ID: 255
Invalid numeric genre ID: 255
Finished. Not cleaning /home/moylan/MUSIC/tst/abcde.c10a4a0e.


this creates track1.wav but not track1.mp3.
when i attempt aplay track1.wav, i get:

Playing WAVE 'track1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo

and it hangs up the appropriate amount of time, but no audio
ensues.

any insights, suggestions?

ole dan

j. daniel moylan
84 harvard ave
brookline, ma 02446-6202
617-777-0207 (cel)
jdm at moylan.us
www.moylan.us
[BLM]

From dsr at randomstring.org  Tue Feb 23 16:25:01 2021
From: dsr at randomstring.org (Dan Ritter)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 16:25:01 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] abcde
In-Reply-To: <YDVyJl7BcEKSasER@aldeberon.localdomain>
References: <YDVyJl7BcEKSasER@aldeberon.localdomain>
Message-ID: <YDVyrZU65/xG6EQe@randomstring.org>

dan moylan wrote: 
> 
> running fc33 on asus aspire, installed abcde, executed the
> following:
> 
>   abcde -omp3 -k 1
> 
> and am getting the following errors:
> 
> read error: sector=3069 length=1 retry=6
>                  Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
>                  Transport error: (null)
>                  System error: No such device
> scsi_read error: sector=3069 length=1 retry=7
>                  Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
>                  Transport error: (null)
>                  System error: No such device
> scsi_read error: sector=3069 length=1 retry=8
>                  Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
>                  Transport error: (null)
>                  System error: No such device
> scsi_read error: sector=3096 length=27 retry=0
>                  Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
>                  Transport error: (null)
>                  System error: No such device
> 
>         ......
> 
>  (== PROGRESS == [VeVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV| 013169 00 ] == :^D * ==)
> 
> 
> any insights, suggestions?

Yes. The problem lies at ripping time; rip it again. use
cdparanoia. Check if your disc is bad or the drive.

-dsr-

From jdm at moylan.us  Tue Feb 23 17:28:04 2021
From: jdm at moylan.us (dan moylan)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] abcde
Message-ID: <YDWBdKeP1jbVXqKt@aldeberon.localdomain>


dan ritter writes:
> dan moylan wrote:
>>
>> running fc33 on asus aspire, installed abcde, executed the
>> following:
>>
>>   abcde -omp3 -k 1
>>
>> and am getting the following errors:
>>
>> read error: sector069 length=1 retry=6
>>                  Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
>>                  Transport error: (null)
>>                  System error: No such device
> scsi_read error: sector069 length=1 retry=7
>>                  Sense key: 0 ASC: 0 ASCQ: 0
>>                  Transport error: (null)
>>                  System error: No such device
>>         ......
>>
>>  (== PROGRESS == [VeVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV| 013169 00 ] == :^D * ==)
>>
>>
>> any insights, suggestions?
>
> Yes. The problem lies at ripping time; rip it again. use
> cdparanoia. Check if your disc is bad or the drive.

cdparanoia -A produces (cdparanoia.log):

   cdparanoia -A
   cdparanoia III release 10.2 (September 11, 2008)

   Using cdda library version: 10.2
      Using paranoia library version: 10.2

   Attempting to set cdrom to full speed...
	   drive returned OK.

   =================== Checking drive cache/timing behavior ===================

   Seek/read timing:

	   [73:35.05]:
   331130:1:47 331131:27:34 331158:27:34 331185:27:33 331212:27:34 331239:27:34 331266:27:34 331293:27:32 331320:27:33 331347:27:34 331374:27:35 331401:27:33 331428:27:34 331455:27:34 331482:27:34 331509:27:33 331536:27:34 331563:27:34 331590:27:32 331617:27:35 331644:27:32 331671:27:34 331698:27:34 331725:27:35 331752:27:33 331779:27:32 331806:27:33 331833:27:34 331860:27:34 331887:27:33 331914:27:33 331941:27:34 331968:27:34 331995:27:32 332022:27:34 332049:27:34 332076:27:35 332103:27:33
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 47ms
	   Average read latency: 1.24ms/sector (raw speed: 10.7x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [73:35.04]:
   331129:1:45 331130:27:35 331157:27:33 331184:27:34 331211:27:35 331238:27:33 331265:27:33 331292:27:34 331319:27:34 331346:27:32 331373:27:34 331400:27:35 331427:27:34 331454:27:32 331481:27:34 331508:27:35 331535:27:33 331562:27:32 331589:27:33 331616:27:33 331643:27:34 331670:27:34 331697:27:34 331724:27:34 331751:27:32 331778:27:34 331805:27:33 331832:27:34 331859:27:35 331886:27:33 331913:27:33 331940:27:34 331967:27:33 331994:27:32 332021:27:34 332048:27:34 332075:27:34 332102:27:32
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 45ms
	   Average read latency: 1.24ms/sector (raw speed: 10.7x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [73:35.03]:
   331128:1:46 331129:27:34 331156:27:34 331183:27:35 331210:27:33 331237:27:34 331264:27:33 331291:27:32 331318:27:34 331345:27:34 331372:27:34 331399:27:32 331426:27:33 331453:27:33 331480:27:34 331507:27:35 331534:27:33 331561:27:32 331588:27:35 331615:27:33 331642:27:33 331669:27:34 331696:27:33 331723:27:34 331750:27:34 331777:27:32 331804:27:34 331831:27:35 331858:27:33 331885:27:33 331912:27:33 331939:27:34 331966:27:33 331993:27:35 332020:27:32 332047:27:34 332074:27:34 332101:27:33
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 46ms
	   Average read latency: 1.24ms/sector (raw speed: 10.7x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [73:35.02]:
   331127:1:44 331128:27:34 331155:27:34 331182:27:35 331209:27:33 331236:27:35 331263:27:32 331290:27:34 331317:27:34 331344:27:34 331371:27:33 331398:27:34 331425:27:32 331452:27:33 331479:27:34 331506:27:35 331533:27:34 331560:27:33 331587:27:32 331614:27:33 331641:27:34 331668:27:34 331695:27:33 331722:27:34 331749:27:32 331776:27:33 331803:27:34 331830:27:34 331857:27:34 331884:27:34 331911:27:32 331938:27:33 331965:27:35 331992:27:32 332019:27:34 332046:27:34 332073:27:34 332100:27:32
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 44ms
	   Average read latency: 1.24ms/sector (raw speed: 10.7x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [73:35.01]:
   331126:1:44 331127:27:34 331154:27:34 331181:27:35 331208:27:33 331235:27:34 331262:27:33 331289:27:33 331316:27:34 331343:27:34 331370:27:33 331397:27:34 331424:27:34 331451:27:34 331478:27:32 331505:27:34 331532:27:33 331559:27:33 331586:27:33 331613:27:34 331640:27:35 331667:27:33 331694:27:33 331721:27:32 331748:27:33 331775:27:34 331802:27:33 331829:27:34 331856:27:34 331883:27:35 331910:27:32 331937:27:33 331964:27:33 331991:27:34 332018:27:34 332045:27:33 332072:27:34 332099:27:32
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 44ms
	   Average read latency: 1.24ms/sector (raw speed: 10.8x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [70:00.25]:
   315025:1:49 315026:27:36 315053:27:33 315080:27:35 315107:27:34 315134:27:34 315161:27:33 315188:27:34 315215:27:34 315242:27:35 315269:27:34 315296:27:34 315323:27:34 315350:27:35 315377:27:34 315404:27:33 315431:27:34 315458:27:35 315485:27:33 315512:27:35 315539:27:33 315566:27:34 315593:27:35 315620:27:33 315647:27:35 315674:27:35 315701:27:33 315728:27:33 315755:27:34 315782:27:35 315809:27:33 315836:27:34 315863:27:35 315890:27:34 315917:27:34 315944:27:34 315971:27:35 315998:27:34
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 49ms
	   Average read latency: 1.26ms/sector (raw speed: 10.6x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [60:00.25]:
   270025:1:53 270026:27:37 270053:27:36 270080:27:36 270107:27:37 270134:27:36 270161:27:36 270188:27:36 270215:27:36 270242:27:36 270269:27:37 270296:27:36 270323:27:36 270350:27:36 270377:27:35 270404:27:36 270431:27:36 270458:27:38 270485:27:36 270512:27:36 270539:27:36 270566:27:36 270593:27:35 270620:27:36 270647:27:36 270674:27:36 270701:27:36 270728:27:37 270755:27:37 270782:27:35 270809:27:37 270836:27:36 270863:27:36 270890:27:38 270917:27:36 270944:27:35 270971:27:37 270998:27:35
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 53ms
	   Average read latency: 1.34ms/sector (raw speed: 10.0x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [50:00.25]:
   225025:1:67 225026:27:41 225053:27:37 225080:27:39 225107:27:40 225134:27:37 225161:27:39 225188:27:40 225215:27:37 225242:27:39 225269:27:40 225296:27:38 225323:27:38 225350:27:40 225377:27:39 225404:27:37 225431:27:40 225458:27:40 225485:27:37 225512:27:40 225539:27:39 225566:27:37 225593:27:40 225620:27:38 225647:27:38 225674:27:40 225701:27:38 225728:27:39 225755:27:40 225782:27:37 225809:27:39 225836:27:40 225863:27:38 225890:27:39 225917:27:40 225944:27:37 225971:27:40 225998:27:39
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 67ms
	   Average read latency: 1.44ms/sector (raw speed: 9.3x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.04ms/sector
	   [40:00.25]:
   180025:1:57 180026:27:43 180053:27:42 180080:27:42 180107:27:43 180134:27:42 180161:27:42 180188:27:42 180215:27:42 180242:27:42 180269:27:42 180296:27:42 180323:27:42 180350:27:42 180377:27:43 180404:27:42 180431:27:42 180458:27:43 180485:27:42 180512:27:42 180539:27:42 180566:27:43 180593:27:41 180620:27:44 180647:27:43 180674:27:42 180701:27:42 180728:27:42 180755:27:43 180782:27:42 180809:27:41 180836:27:42 180863:27:42 180890:27:42 180917:27:42 180944:27:42 180971:27:43 180998:27:42
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 57ms
	   Average read latency: 1.56ms/sector (raw speed: 8.5x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.02ms/sector
	   [30:00.25]:
   135025:1:65 135026:27:48 135053:27:47 135080:27:46 135107:27:46 135134:27:46 135161:27:46 135188:27:48 135215:27:46 135242:27:46 135269:27:48 135296:27:46 135323:27:46 135350:27:46 135377:27:48 135404:27:45 135431:27:49 135458:27:44 135485:27:48 135512:27:46 135539:27:48 135566:27:45 135593:27:48 135620:27:45 135647:27:48 135674:27:45 135701:27:48 135728:27:46 135755:27:46 135782:27:46 135809:27:48 135836:27:47 135863:27:45 135890:27:47 135917:27:47 135944:27:46 135971:27:46 135998:27:46
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 65ms
	   Average read latency: 1.72ms/sector (raw speed: 7.7x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.04ms/sector
	   [20:00.25]:
   90025:1:71 90026:27:55 90053:27:52 90080:27:52 90107:27:52 90134:27:52 90161:27:52 90188:27:52 90215:27:54 90242:27:52 90269:27:53 90296:27:53 90323:27:53 90350:27:53 90377:27:52 90404:27:52 90431:27:52 90458:27:52 90485:27:52 90512:27:54 90539:27:52 90566:27:52 90593:27:52 90620:27:52 90647:27:52 90674:27:52 90701:27:53 90728:27:51 90755:27:52 90782:27:54 90809:27:52 90836:27:52 90863:27:52 90890:27:52 90917:27:52 90944:27:52 90971:27:52 90998:27:52
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 71ms
	   Average read latency: 1.94ms/sector (raw speed: 6.9x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
	   [10:00.25]:
   45025:1:79 45026:27:62 45053:27:63 45080:27:62 45107:27:61 45134:27:61 45161:27:61 45188:27:61 45215:27:61 45242:27:60 45269:27:61 45296:27:61 45323:27:61 45350:27:61 45377:27:63 45404:27:61 45431:27:62 45458:27:61 45485:27:61 45512:27:61 45539:27:61 45566:27:62 45593:27:60 45620:27:61 45647:27:61 45674:27:61 45701:27:61 45728:27:61 45755:27:61 45782:27:61 45809:27:61 45836:27:61 45863:27:60 45890:27:61 45917:27:62 45944:27:62 45971:27:61 45998:27:61
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 79ms
	   Average read latency: 2.27ms/sector (raw speed: 5.9x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.02ms/sector
	   [00:00.25]:
   25:1:92 26:27:79 53:27:76 80:27:77 107:27:77 134:27:76 161:27:77 188:27:76 215:27:77 242:27:77 269:27:76 296:27:77 323:27:76 350:27:77 377:27:76 404:27:77 431:27:76 458:27:77 485:27:76 512:27:77 539:27:76 566:27:77 593:27:76 620:27:77 647:27:77 674:27:76 701:27:77 728:27:76 755:27:78 782:27:76 809:27:76 836:27:76 863:27:77 890:27:76 917:27:76 944:27:77 971:27:76 998:27:76
	   Initial seek latency (1000 sectors): 92ms
	   Average read latency: 2.84ms/sector (raw speed: 4.7x)
	   Read latency standard deviation: 0.03ms/sector
 
   Analyzing cache behavior...
	   Fast search for approximate cache size... 0 sectors
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:97 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:56 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> fast_read=35:1:56 seek_read=35:1:55
	   Slow verify for approximate cache size... 0 sectors
	   Attempting to reduce read speed to 1x... drive said OK
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
		   >>> slow_read=35:1:55 seek_read=35:1:55
	   Drive does not cache nonlinear access

   Drive tests OK with Paranoia.

   ---

using a second audio cd:
cdparanoia -B

proceeds to write out tracks.  playing the first one gives
me almost a miunte of proper audio, but then cuts out.  none
of the other tracks (so far) has produced any audio.

using a third audio cd:
cdparanoia -B

proceeds to write out tracks.  playing the first one gives
just a few seconds of audio, then cuts out.  then i killed
it.

very frustrated,
ole dan

j. daniel moylan
84 harvard ave
brookline, ma 02446-6202
617-777-0207 (cel)
jdm at moylan.us
www.moylan.us
[BLM]

From eric.chadbourne at icloud.com  Wed Feb 24 12:10:30 2021
From: eric.chadbourne at icloud.com (Eric Chadbourne)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] mobile phone preference question
In-Reply-To: <D7FE226C-AFBC-43B3-B36C-A63ECBC53EA9@icloud.com>
References: <D7FE226C-AFBC-43B3-B36C-A63ECBC53EA9@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5FE9F7E2-9329-4A3F-9284-D0C6E250356F@icloud.com>

Speaking of batteries, I use an iPad daily for media consumption.  It's almost two years old and the battery started not keeping a charge as long.  So I purchased an Anker battery and glued it to the back of the iPad.  Works great.  Now there's a handle for holding the device and it can go a week between charges.   https://software1351.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/c807062e-355e-4e97-b77f-b7f40e1b9705.jpeg

Not sure what I'm going to do for a new phone.  Still looking.  Fortunately there's no great hurry.

This looks interesting.  https://puri.sm/

Eric Chadbourne


> On Feb 22, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Eric Chadbourne <eric.chadbourne at icloud.com> wrote:
> ?
> ?That is an excellent price point.  Thanks for the tip.
> 
> Eric Chadbourne
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2021, at 9:48 PM, Dick Miller <TheMillers at millermicro.com> wrote:
>> ? Hi, Eric:
>> 
>> Not quite a match to your question, but perhaps a great fit anyway...
>> 
>> We use and recommend LG V30 or V30+ smartphones (LS998, unlocked or for your carrier), which are available in fine used condition for about $100-150 at eBay and elsewhere. This is a flagship model with unusually good audio via a standard 3.5-mm. stereo jack, and camera capabilities so good that I no longer use far more expensive cameras. LG's own LG FM Radio app works fine, as do some Android alternatives.
>> 
>> The LG V30 does not have a slide-out battery, but replacement batteries are inexpensive and easy instructions (using a hair dryer to open the back cover) are available.
>> 
>> Cheers from
>> --Dick Miller, Partner, MMS <TheMillers at millermicro.com>
>>   	Co-Leader, FOSS User Group at Natick Community-Senior Center
>> 
>> Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, non-proprietary, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, virus-resistant, free open-source software, Linux PC - with Ubuntu 20.10/Unity 7.5 and Fotoxx 21 .
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/20/21 8:01 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote:
>>> Anybody here use a mobile phone as a daily driver that is not iOS or Android?  If yes, what do you think?
>>> 
>>> My iPhone is long in the tooth and I have no desire to try and fix it.  Use case is to be mostly used as a hot spot for my GNU/Linux laptop and iPad.  I call and text occasionally. Currently on Verizon due to location.
>>> 
>>> Not long ago I had an inexpensive Alcatel with some tiny OS that seemed to do little.  It had an FM radio and replaceable battery.  It was so luxurious I think those two features should be mandated by law.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks for tips!
>>> 
>>> Eric Chadbourne
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.blu.org
>>> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

From kentborg at borg.org  Wed Feb 24 18:04:48 2021
From: kentborg at borg.org (Kent Borg)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:04:48 -0800
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
Message-ID: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>

I recently started getting spam sent to an address that I supplied to an 
online vendor and no one else. I contacted them, and tried to send an 
example of the spam, but Google (who handles their e-mail) bounced my 
e-mail.

If this vendor is interested in seeing an example, how in heck do I send 
it to them? Do I have to put it on a web page? (Is it not possible to 
talk about e-mail spam over e-mail?)


-kb, the Kent who assumes they are not spammers but were hacked with 
spyware that stole their address list.


From me at mattgillen.net  Wed Feb 24 18:13:31 2021
From: me at mattgillen.net (Matthew Gillen)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 18:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
Message-ID: <7bacd954-52bb-6850-456c-28f984a071c1@mattgillen.net>

On 2/24/2021 6:04 PM, Kent Borg wrote:
> I recently started getting spam sent to an address that I supplied to an
> online vendor and no one else. I contacted them, and tried to send an
> example of the spam, but Google (who handles their e-mail) bounced my
> e-mail.
> 
> If this vendor is interested in seeing an example, how in heck do I send
> it to them? Do I have to put it on a web page? (Is it not possible to
> talk about e-mail spam over e-mail?)

You could put the email in a zip file or the like.   Old timers might
remember uuencode got used for rewriting things that you wanted to make
sure weren't interpreted by SMTP, but that isn't practical anymore.

HTH,
Matt

From kentborg at borg.org  Wed Feb 24 18:54:04 2021
From: kentborg at borg.org (Kent Borg)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:54:04 -0800
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <7bacd954-52bb-6850-456c-28f984a071c1@mattgillen.net>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
 <7bacd954-52bb-6850-456c-28f984a071c1@mattgillen.net>
Message-ID: <cc218ad2-a8b0-1011-55cd-27dfdb8b8513@borg.org>

On 2/24/21 3:13 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
> On 2/24/2021 6:04 PM, Kent Borg wrote:
>> I recently started getting spam sent to an address that I supplied to an
>> online vendor and no one else. I contacted them, and tried to send an
>> example of the spam, but Google (who handles their e-mail) bounced my
>> e-mail.
>>
>> If this vendor is interested in seeing an example, how in heck do I send
>> it to them? Do I have to put it on a web page? (Is it not possible to
>> talk about e-mail spam over e-mail?)
> You could put the email in a zip file or the like.   Old timers might
> remember uuencode got used for rewriting things

ROT-13!


> that you wanted to make
> sure weren't interpreted by SMTP, but that isn't practical anymore.

Or ">" in front of the word "From" at the beginning of a line. Nowadays 
e-mail is mostly encoded in MIME, and Google will look inside that.

The problem is isn't Google is going to look inside whatever level of 
obfuscating I do, up to the level some non-technical person might have 
the patience to undo? At least anyone scanning for malware should, maybe 
they don't go deep for spam.


If the vendor shows any interest, I'll put it on a web page and send a link.


-kb


From malassimilation at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 19:26:57 2021
From: malassimilation at gmail.com (E. William Horne)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 19:26:57 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
Message-ID: <de21317b-7777-fdfa-82da-d3cf4fb1cffe@gmail.com>

Just print it out and mail it to them, or scam the paper and emaili the 
image. HTH.

Bill Horne

On 2/24/2021 6:04 PM, Kent Borg wrote:
> I recently started getting spam sent to an address that I supplied to 
> an online vendor and no one else. I contacted them, and tried to send 
> an example of the spam, but Google (who handles their e-mail) bounced 
> my e-mail.
>
> If this vendor is interested in seeing an example, how in heck do I 
> send it to them? Do I have to put it on a web page? (Is it not 
> possible to talk about e-mail spam over e-mail?)
>
>
> -kb, the Kent who assumes they are not spammers but were hacked with 
> spyware that stole their address list.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.blu.org
> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

From dsr at randomstring.org  Wed Feb 24 21:15:34 2021
From: dsr at randomstring.org (Dan Ritter)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 21:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <de21317b-7777-fdfa-82da-d3cf4fb1cffe@gmail.com>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
 <de21317b-7777-fdfa-82da-d3cf4fb1cffe@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <YDcIRhCrj5WLZAVn@randomstring.org>

E. William Horne wrote: 
> Just print it out and mail it to them, or scam the paper and emaili the
> image. HTH.

Make sure you do it on a wooden desk, and get a nice few inches
of border around it. And maybe a coffee stain and a doodle?

-dsr-

From shankar.viswan at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 00:22:27 2021
From: shankar.viswan at gmail.com (Shankar Viswanathan)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:22:27 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <de21317b-7777-fdfa-82da-d3cf4fb1cffe@gmail.com>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
 <de21317b-7777-fdfa-82da-d3cf4fb1cffe@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <718538de-cd4d-8d85-1d30-4371dd2b078c@gmail.com>

On 2/24/21 7:26 PM, E. William Horne wrote:
> Just print it out and mail it to them, or scam the paper and emaili 
> the image. HTH.

If you want to save trees, you can send a screenshot image of the email. 
I used a screenshot to report some phishing emails in the past.

-Shankar

From jdm at moylan.us  Thu Feb 25 17:36:17 2021
From: jdm at moylan.us (dan moylan)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] abcde
Message-ID: <YDgmYYY+G7KeIcQ4@aldeberon.localdomain>


hmmm -- i bought a new cdrom-drive and the problem seems to
have gone away.

thanks for the help.

ole dan

j. daniel moylan
84 harvard ave
brookline, ma 02446-6202
617-777-0207 (cel)
jdm at moylan.us
www.moylan.us
[BLM]

From david at thekramers.net  Sun Feb 28 11:26:49 2021
From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:26:49 -0500
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
Message-ID: <a7b8ce0c-8bd8-a0cd-cdc7-b683129db532@thekramers.net>

What you can do is, yes, post it on a website and send them, the URL.? 
But you can use something like https://pastebin.com/ which is designed 
exactly for the purpose of sharing short pieces of text.

The problem with trying to send it to them in an email in an obfuscated 
way is that the harder it is to decrypt it, the less likely they are 
going to be able to do it, or even care to.

Make sure when you do it, you post ALL the headers, however you do that 
in your email program.

On 2/24/21 6:04 PM, Kent Borg wrote:
> I recently started getting spam sent to an address that I supplied to 
> an online vendor and no one else. I contacted them, and tried to send 
> an example of the spam, but Google (who handles their e-mail) bounced 
> my e-mail.
>
> If this vendor is interested in seeing an example, how in heck do I 
> send it to them? Do I have to put it on a web page? (Is it not 
> possible to talk about e-mail spam over e-mail?)
>
>
> -kb, the Kent who assumes they are not spammers but were hacked with 
> spyware that stole their address list.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.blu.org
> http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

From kentborg at borg.org  Sun Feb 28 14:59:46 2021
From: kentborg at borg.org (Kent Borg)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:59:46 -0800
Subject: [Discuss] Question About Spam
In-Reply-To: <a7b8ce0c-8bd8-a0cd-cdc7-b683129db532@thekramers.net>
References: <a43edfb6-f447-3636-a221-2ed9f917b31d@borg.org>
 <a7b8ce0c-8bd8-a0cd-cdc7-b683129db532@thekramers.net>
Message-ID: <ff63d45f-5119-e508-b64c-0eb3a808fa22@borg.org>

I ended up printing to a PDF and attaching that. I don't know whether it 
arrived, but I know I didn't get a bounce.

-kb