------------------------------- Wed Sep 20 06:21:01 PM EDT 2023 ------------------------------- Transcript of Chat box from BLU meeting, Wed, Sep 20. 2023 Meeting held online via Jitsi Meet In attendance (14 total): Speaker(s): * Bill Ricker BLU officers: * John Abreau * Jerry Feldman Attendees (named): * Arnold Peterson * Brendan Kidwell * Edward Piecewicz * Jonathan Finger * Kurt Keville * Randy Cole * Ron Thibeau * Shankar Viswanathan Attendees (anonymous): * Fellow Jitster * mike s * Prof G -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Hi Edward Piecewicz says:The chirp? Edward Piecewicz says:Kidde and First Alert used AI to design them, so when the low battery chirp begins to sounds, it's always overnight. 18:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:True. 18:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Did that here, TWICE. 😠 Edward Piecewicz says:😄 Edward Piecewicz says:Test 18:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- mike s says:General linux question: was the last version of the man program (the one Federico maintained) 1.6-g? Was thinking of using it in this go around of Linux from Scratch. 18:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker R says:IDK (re man) Bill Ricker R says:(man -V on my modestly recent Ubuntu reports 2.9.1, which may not be responsive to the question) 18:50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- mike s says:One thing I learned is that searching for man-1.6h in google gives more pleasant (but no more helpful) results than doing so in duckduckgo. mike s says:2.9.1 must be man-db 18:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:openSUSE Tumbleweed has man 2.11.2 18:53 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I always have trouble with man pages in terminal windows. Thebold text comes out invisible. I wrote a script long ago that uses groff to generate a pdf copy of a given man page,thendisplay it with atril. 18:53 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I just checked my version 4.18.1-2 18:54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- mike s says:So there are two different man (three if you count mandoc) programs in linux. man (Federico) and man-db (Colin Watson?). mike s says:More background as part of this thread: https://lore.kernel.org/all/4A517966.1060401@acm.org/ 18:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof G says:`mc` is great 19:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Good connection here. 19:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:100m should support a couple of 4k streams plus general computing Randy Cole says:I always wonder when you see zoom calls like this glitching, if it is the slow 10m upload speed 19:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:Oct 2022 "password killer is finally here". seems like that didn't pan out as a killer app 19:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Thought salt was bad for you 19:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Bad for the system's heartbeat, perhaps... 19:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:Your home has a random salt (via kidde) 😃 19:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I used to have a Tandy Model 100. 40x8 characters. 20:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:I had a 2600 hz tone generator... 20:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:What should we do now for encryption? 20:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I had an apple II 20:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:didn't Seiko produce similar products in the 80s? Not sure about encryption capabilities 20:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:I had a C=64 and 128. 20:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:The recent Move It breech was bad 20:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:My earliest PC was an Apple Iic. I got Wozniak to sign it since I was doing booth duty at the BCS booth (at Applefest) Kurt Keville says:You were there, right Jerry? 20:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I believe I was. Wasn't that at the Hancock 20:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Hynes... yeah... 20:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:Ok. 20:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Years ago wozniak reported he had some bitcoin stolen 20:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I did some BCS booth duties, but not at an applefest. 20:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:What was the place the BCS Apple II group used to meet? A school in Newton IIRC? 20:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:Could be. I went to a couple. 20:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Was there ever an Apple II Linux port? 20:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:8-bit Linux? Sounds extremely painful. Yechh! 20:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I gave Albert my old Apple II manual with Woz's handwritten section 😦 20:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:I know there was a "Linnext" port to NeXT... same 68020 processor 20:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:wasn't the Apple II 6502 based? 20:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:There were 8 bit Unix ports. Jerry Feldman says:Yes, 6502 20:19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:I just gave all my old NeXT machines to the BCS NeXT Users group... Kurt Keville says: bcs-next@mit.edu ... still works... 20:19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I upgraded it to 16K with discarded chips. 20:19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Just now? I didn't know the NeXT SIG survived the death of BCS. 😮 20:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Oh, yeah... those guys are hard core... Kurt Keville says:There ar some UUNET addresses in that list... 😃 20:21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:At a BCS booth, the Atari group was next to the mac group. My atari had the Mac emulator. I was demoing mac programs that ran faster than their real Macs 😃 20:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I wonder if my old UUNET mailbox still exists. jabr@roogna.ma.us , I ran FernMail on a MacPlus, and connected to UUCP via dial-up through UMass-Boston. John Abreau says:30 years of email still waiting for me to reconnect 😛 20:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:+SPAM 20:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:800 TB of SPAM, and maybe 10 MB of actual email 😛 20:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Ha! 20:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Looks like a razor 20:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:@Jabr no MX record 20:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Vintage spam, beloved by archaeologists in the 25th century 😛 20:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:What was the church that ruined the Finnish remailer? was that Scientology? 20:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Software Tool is still in business? Edward Piecewicz says:👍 20:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:In the early 2000s, spam was 99% of the email 20:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:I'm sure ISP 20:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:A line ended 1968 “temporarily” 20:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:I'm sure ISP's back then were still using port 25 for SMTP 20:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:You could telnet to most ports back then... 20:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:57 is soooo sloooow. A line must have been faster 20:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:It was... a more innocent time... 😮 20:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says: TheWorld.com and TIAC supported CU-SeeMe Kurt Keville says:on port 9090 I think? 20:31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Yeah unbelievable…wood retaining wall Randy Cole says:Like two stories tall 20:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Oops world.std.org ... 20:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Shoddy. Obviously shoddy Randy Cole says:Do over. Who pays? 20:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:My friend lived in an apartment complex in atlanta (actually smyrna) that had wooded flus. One building burned down. After that they could not use their fireplaces. Complex was owned by Crow, Pope, and Carter. The Crow was Trammel Crow whose son has been supporting Judge Thomas. 20:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:That site was like it since the 80s? Randy Cole says:Retaining walls should be cement blocks 20:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Thanks, Bill. 20:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- mike s says:Thanks. Very interesting. 20:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:thanks a lot Bill! 20:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Thanks, Bill... Kurt Keville says:Who was her spy? Kurt Keville says:I know you have talked about him... Kurt Keville says:Sir Francis Walsingham? 20:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:Sounds like a character in an errorl flynn movie 20:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Yeah... he was a badass... https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/07/world/mary-queen-of-scots-lost-letters-scn/ 20:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:the story about Mary Queen of Scots is absolutely fascinating - her whole defense depended on Queen Elizabeth not being able to crack her cipher text 20:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker R says:QE1 didn't crack them but Walsingham sure did ! Bill Ricker R says:Sir Francis Walsingham was not a spy, he was the spy-master. 20:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:indeed 20:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:So what should we be using for encryption? 20:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:I read that story in a book a long time ago - can't remember the book title Shankar Viswanathan says:it also had a story about how the Spartans used hidden messages in the fight against Xerxes 20:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I remember reading about scytales in a Hardy Boys mystery story when I was 9 years old. 20:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:I like that star trek used the same self destruct password in the mid 60s and in ?star trek 3? 20:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker R says:Mary Queen of Scots letters in French archives references https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2023/0215.html#cg22 20:50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Michael Garibaldi's password in Babylon 5 was 😛eek-a-boo". 😛 John Abreau says:oops, apparently a double-quote followed by a P makes an emoticon. Peek-A-Boo 20:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:RegEx 20:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shankar Viswanathan says:I have to drop - this has been fascinating! 20:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:“That zooty cracks me up” 20:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:(not Red jack) 20:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Wolf in the Fold meets Come the Inquisitor... Sebastian as Redjack 😮 20:53 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Another obscure Star Trek reference... Kurt Keville says:Now that JJ Abrams is the director for both "Star" franchises, when are we going to see a cobranding? 20:54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Admiral Thrawn meets Admiral Kirk, from two very different Starfleets... 😮 20:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Capt Pike and that star fleet official 900 years in the future in discovery having the same hairstyle… Randy Cole says:AI will always have an answer 20:57 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Cutting Edge becomes Retro after 900 years. John Abreau says:In a century or two, powdered wigs will likely ome back into fashion! 😮 20:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Wookiepedia says the Ferengi are from the same galaxy as Tatooine... 21:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Nobody talks about 250 21:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:did anyone else just get unexpectedly disconnected? 21:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Nope 21:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:I got disconnected about 25 minutes ago 21:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Not here. 21:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:I think many were getting disconnected earlier in the meeting 21:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:no I didnt get disconnected 21:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Always expect disconnection Randy Cole says:We were gearing up for the bicentenial for about 5 years 21:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Hands Across America 21:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Brand the qr code onto the pet 21:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Nope 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:randy: lol! 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Time to head over to CBC before 9:30... 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Miss cbc 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:The Angry Ham for me 😃 21:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker R says:INdeed 🍺 21:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Big garlic Clove 21:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker R says:I could descend to Jack Benny's Wine Cellar and grab myself a Porter ... 21:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Or an Armagnac (sp?) 21:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:I flew only once, 40 yeqars ago. BOS-PIT round-trip. 21:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Goodnight folks 21:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Keville says:Goodnight all 21:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- meeting ended at Wed Sep 20 09:18:18 PM EDT 2023