------------------------------- Wed Nov 15 06:07:22 PM EST 2023 ------------------------------- Transcript of Chat box from BLU meeting, Wed, Nov 15. 2023 Meeting held online via Jitsi Meet In attendance (14 total): Speaker(s): * Bob Frankston * Brian DeLacey BLU officers: * John Abreau * Jerry Feldman * Bill Ricker Attendees (named): * Stephen Ronan * Brendan Kidwell * Edward Piecewicz * Randy Cole * Robert Luoma * Emilio F Panighetti * Shankar Viswanathan Attendees (anonymous): * ARNIE -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:canyoui hear me? 18:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:No, can you hear me 18:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARNIE says:no 18:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:i had to select my webcam mic , it wasn't getting audio from my headset mic. 19:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I had the sameproblem with my headset. 19:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I use visual studio now. used to use atom. Jerry Feldman says:I plugged in wired earbuds and they work fine 19:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:Making Scheme look like C and call it JavaScraps seems like massive indirection. 19:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:and the reality, Bill, is that it took off and got installed in everything :^) 19:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:C's unsafe pointers got spread everywhere too, that doesn't make it good art Bill R says:Same Syntax, different Semantics is going to be confusing.Repeatedly. Bill R says:sudo npm, all the (in)security of curl|sudo bash , but with a central repository to park the payloads. 19:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says: http://rmf39.aaz.lt:3000/ 19:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:This reminds us that TS recapitulates C++'s problem of needing a source translation step , and thus forfeits JS's all-source advantage 19:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says: rmf39.aaz.lt took too long to respond. 19:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says: https://rmf.vc/IEEEJSEco https://rmf.vc/MoreInsite 19:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Still not connecting. Indeed, I'm unable to ping rmf39.aaz.lt 19:55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says: https://rmf.vc/IEEEBlinky 20:05 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Thank you. 20:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:thanks for the presentation. I don't really have any questions, but I'll add: I have been learning TypeScript recently and I've known JavaScript for a long time. TS is good for building a system or an app or other actual projects. JS is more appropriate only for single-file blocks of code and adding "behavior" scripts to other systems like sprinkling a little interactive feature onto HTML Brendan Kidwell says:Typescript for building a project/app is great because it runs on anything 20:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- // brian mentioned book "javascript - the good parts" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says:I just saw Crockford at Hackers 😉 Bob Frankston says:Visual Studio CODE 20:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:the pejorative uses of Fiat by coynscambros annoys me only slightly less than their greshaming of the crypto abbrev. 20:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says:copilot and ChatGPT Bob Frankston says: https://rmf.vc/IEEEChattingUp Bob Frankston says:Yes, crypto/web3 is very naive and problematic Bob Frankston says:As of April 2023 Bob Frankston says:chatgpt4 20:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:So it's BTC+Jack's immatueur alternative to AcitvityPub with only Alpha at best applications vs years of experience and range of interoperable AP . I can see how Jack would want to have this as a backup option in case federated BluSky fails. Bill R says:as we saw 40 years ago, ARPAnet vs ISO OSI RM, a plan for a network loses to a working network with applications. An example of the (wait for it) Network effect. 20:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says:gotta leave -- send me any questions you may have. 20:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:if livestreaming is flaky and recording is relioable, then recording would be better John Abreau says:all else being equal, livestreaming would be preferable, but reliablility trumps that.. 20:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:I put up a quick poll.. Lately we have had issues with live streaming. I'm not see in a lot of people watching live stream. Would we be better just recording the meeting inastead of live streaming. Jerry Feldman says:I think recording would be more reliable. 20:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Is there a service other than YT that could accommodate live streaming? 20:46 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I don't think the problem is with youtube; it's a resource issue on the jitsi server. 20:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brendan Kidwell says:has anyone created a special jitsi client that just joins a meeting anonymously and records to a local file? 20:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:Exactly. We could run our own jitsi server, but I think that our host would not be happy. 20:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I'd love to be able to record or livestream at 4K. If a headless client for recording could handle that, that would be perfect. 20:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecewicz says:Thank you 21:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:i'd priced out Digital Ocean Jitsi node - if we had our fundraiser active it'd not be impractical, but there's probably a more affordable option 21:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:How much would it cost per hour? 21:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:DO doesn't handle per-hour well, keeping a definition passive for all but 2 hours a month costs as much as the 2 hrs of activity Bill R says:our usage would fit better with a place with a deeper discount for flash-frozen instances Bill R says:alternatively if multiple groups (BLU, Perl, Natick, ...) each had 2 hrs a month and split the cost, it would be vaguely reasonable Bill R says:i reported this data a couple years ago, so that's stale data, somewhere in our inboxes i presume 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:How much would it cost if we tore it down after each use and then rebuilt it from a script each time we needed it? I assume the rebuild script could be fairly quick. 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:If you dont “live stream” that just means the youtube feed is not active? That the jitsi feed is active? 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:right Bill R says:dividing live access in live server and replay on demand in the other 21:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Installing jistsi isnt hard 21:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:no, the hard part is supporting the I/O bandwidth without annoying your ISP or someone else 21:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:I mean the jitsi client 21:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:if one really wants multiple live stream options, most go for several popular S/M YT+FB+.... as one-way video, multi-way text-chat distribution, and something more studio-like for presenter+guest head-ending Bill R says:StreamYard studio head-end had a free tier (like Jitsi) that is their-brand watermark; for pay, one gets among other upsell features watermarking with own logo. 21:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:What does Trump use, lol 21:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:no clue on that Bill R says:one great thing about StreamYard is it consolidates FB, YT, whatever incoming chat comments into a single chat for presenter+guests, and presenter can pull a comment on-screen or into bottom-third live 21:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:So if jerry removes “live streaming” we still have jitsi meet but not youtube, and we still have a recording 21:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:right Bill R says:and no interuptions Bill R says:the integration of Jitsi to YT Live seems to be the problem, not YT recording. Bill R says:(just having lower-third or chyron feature is pretty cool) 21:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Does the chat get archived? That annoys me when chat streams go poof when a aession closes 21:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:Vice versa, there's a privacy benefit to chat evaporating 21:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Yeah… 21:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I manually archive the chat on the blu server. I copy/paste the text into a terminal window, and I also do screencaps and assemble them with gimp. 21:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:I would presume StreamYard has the ability to archive the chat for the host. If an event is YT Live Native, the live chat is archived in the Recorded sessiont Bill R says:But since Jitsi doesn't push chat to YT, it isn't here. 21:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:Nice john 21:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill R says:JABR, you really need to announce that you do that each month. 21:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Cole says:I mean jabr -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I'll keep that in mind for next month. 21:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- meeting ended at Wed Nov 15 21:18:25 EST 2023