Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products

[ggallen at slackinc.com (George Gallen)]

As for CPR cards, regardless of whether they are signed or not,
they are not "certificates", rather, if you look closely, they
read "successfull completion of...", they are actually referred
to as "course completion cards". As a side note, they don't expire
any more either, rather, there is a recommended renewal date.

Comparing CPR to software is like compareing apples to oranges,
rather I should say Apples to Widows...

With programming, you take the chance of making things a lot worse
  and is usally installed on a "healthy" machine.

With CPR, you can't make things worse (they are already dead), true
  you can make it more difficult to revive someone if improperly done
  but you can't make them deader (assuming we are talking about when
  one is doing compressions and the person truely needs it). Very
  rarely would anyone try to do CPR on a "healthy" person (although
  I have seen it attempted on a person who merely fainted by an overzealous
  EMS newbie).

As well, a card doesn't need to be signed by an RN or paramedic, but
rather someone who has successfully completed a AHA/ARC CPR Instructor
program. (EMT isn't even needed).

George

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Bilow [mailto:mikebw at colossus.bilow.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:20 PM
>To: Jeffry Smith
>Cc: Kevin D. Clark; GNHLUG; BLU Users' Group
>Subject: Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products 
>
>
>As far as I can tell, the "lead assessor" is the person _within_ the
>organization who is responsible for evaluating the organization's CMM
>capability.  This is like signing your own CPR card.
>
>A CPR card must be signed for a certified instructor, which in my
>experience is usually a registered nurse or paramedic.  The 
>purpose of a
>CPR card is to protect the _holder_ from liability.
>
>-- Mike
>
>
>On 2000-05-17 at 10:39 -0400, Jeffry Smith wrote:
>
>> I didn't miss your point.  Lead Assessors do the assessment and pass 
>> to SEI.  the "certification" is like my CPR certification - I'm not, 
>> I have a card saying I've taken the class and passed the test.
>> Difference?  Practically, none.  Legally, considerable, as the AHA
>> can't be held liable if I do CPR wrong. Check the 
www.sei.cmu.edu site
> for documents including reviews of assessed sites, and comparisons of
> high-maturity sites. Yes, the orgs are "honor system" listed, but that
> doesn't mean they don't go through a rigorous assessment.   
> 
> jeff
> 
> On Tue, 16 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:20:35 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Mike Bilow <mikebw at colossus.bilow.com>
> > To: Jeffry Smith <smith at missioncriticallinux.com>
> > Cc: Kevin D. Clark <kclark at cabletron.com>, GNHLUG <gnhlug at zk3.dec.com>,
>      BLU Users' Group <discuss at Blu.Org>
> > Subject: Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Microsoft products 
> > 
> > I think you missed my point.  That web page states explicitly:
> > 
> >    Please be aware of the following issues regarding this list.
> >      * The SEI does not certify companies at maturity levels.
> >      * The SEI does not confirm the accuracy of the maturity levels
> >        reported by the Lead Assessors or organizations.
> > 
> > In other words, that web page lists organizations on the honor system.
> > 
> > -- Mike
> > 
> > 
> > On 2000-05-16 at 18:13 -0400, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > For a list as of 4 May 2000, see: 
> > > http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmm/high-maturity/HighMatOrgs.html
> > > SEI, despite founding and support from DoD, is not DoD unique.


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