Discuss digest, Vol 1 #213 - 14 msgs

[cybrar at yahoo.com (Bavneet Brar)]

Ok John,
you were right. Here is the pci
file attached.
It would be good to get
to the bottom of this quickly.
The project is behind schedule.
thanks
brar
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>    1. RE: Some installfest issues (Jim Kelly-Rand)
>    2. RE: Some installfest issues (Jerry Feldman)
>    3. Re: Some installfest issues (Derek D. Martin)
>    4. RE: Some installfest issues (Matthew J.
> Brodeur)
>    5. RE: Some installfest issues (Jim Kelly-Rand)
>    6. RE: Some installfest issues (Jerry Feldman)
>    7. RE: Some installfest issues (Jim Kelly-Rand)
>    8. Re: Some installfest issues (Derek Atkins)
>    9. RE: Some installfest issues (Drew Taylor)
>   10. RE: Some installfest issues (Matthew J.
> Brodeur)
>   11. Re: Some installfest issues (Patrick R.
> McManus)
>   12. Re: Some installfest issues (John Abreau)
>   13. Re: Some installfest issues (Kent Borg)
>   14. Re: Hard disks (Numberwhun *****)
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> Message: 1
> From: Jim Kelly-Rand <JKelly-rand at kmwarch.com>
> To: "'Matthew J. Brodeur'" <mbrodeur at NextTime.com>,
> 	BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:48:29 -0400
> 
> I am not a System Admin. or some one who had the
> time to find a way around
> the documented limitations, but I knew that if I put
> forth my experience
> that if someone had found a way they/you would
> respond. 
> 
> My next question would be to ask how  the person at
> the installfest wanted
> to share the common data between the 3 systems? As
> far as I know Linux
> cannot write to an NTFS partition, nor can W98. Vice
> versa Wxx cannot write
> to ext2-3, or am I mistaken? I could install NT and
> 98 to the most primitive
> versions of the fat FS and then Linux could write to
> that format. 
> 
> Jim Kelly-Rand
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jim Kelly-Rand wrote:
> > 
> > > Ihave documentation at home of the process I
> went through 
> > to achieve an
> > > NT/Linux dual boot but I am not there now.
> 
> > From: Matthew J. Brodeur
> [mailto:mbrodeur at NextTime.com]
> > 
> >    I have read the same documentation, and it's
> all wrong.  I don't 
> > currently have a machine doing so, but it is quite
> possible to boot 
> > BIOS->LILO->NTLoader.  I have done this in the
> past to create 
> > Linux/W95/WNT and Linux/W98/W2K systems.
> >    IIRC, and I might be misremembering, I would
> first 
> > partition the drive 
> > using Linux fdisk.  Then I'd install Win9x in C:
> (first 
> > DOS-type Primary 
> > partition), WinNT in another DOS partition
> (usually formatted 
> > NTFS), and 
> > then Linux somewhere else.  WinNT (or 2k) would
> see that I 
> > already had 9x 
> > installed, add an entry to NTLoader for me, and
> install it in 
> > the root 
> > block of C:.  During the Linux install I'd create
> a LILO 
> > entry pointing to 
> > that partition (usually /dev/hda2, since /boot was
> hda1) and 
> > I'd just call 
> > it "Windows".
> >    This left me with one step to get to Linux
> (LILO->Linux), 
> > or two to 
> > either Windows (LILO->NTLoader->WinNT/9x).  I
> found this to 
> > be much easier 
> > than tricking NTLoader into booting LILO.
> > 
> 
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> Message: 2
> From: "Jerry Feldman" <gaf at blu.org>
> Organization: Boston Linux & Unix
> To: BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:08:48 -0400
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> 
> IMHO, assuming dual boot:
> If you want to share data between Linux, NT and
> Windows 9x, then a Windows 
> FAT32 partition would be the better place because
> all 3 OSs can read and 
> write. 
> On 22 Apr 2002 at 12:48, Jim Kelly-Rand wrote:
> 
> > I am not a System Admin. or some one who had the
> time to find a way around
> > the documented limitations, but I knew that if I
> put forth my experience
> > that if someone had found a way they/you would
> respond. 
> > 
> > My next question would be to ask how  the person
> at the installfest wanted
> > to share the common data between the 3 systems? As
> far as I know Linux
> > cannot write to an NTFS partition, nor can W98.
> Vice versa Wxx cannot write
> > to ext2-3, or am I mistaken? I could install NT
> and 98 to the most primitive
> > versions of the fat FS and then Linux could write
> to that format. 
> > 
> > Jim Kelly-Rand
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > 
> > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jim Kelly-Rand wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ihave documentation at home of the process I
> went through 
> > > to achieve an
> > > > NT/Linux dual boot but I am not there now.
> > 
> > > From: Matthew J. Brodeur
> [mailto:mbrodeur at NextTime.com]
> > > 
> > >    I have read the same documentation, and it's
> all wrong.  I don't 
> > > currently have a machine doing so, but it is
> quite possible to boot 
> > > BIOS->LILO->NTLoader.  I have done this in the
> past to create 
> > > Linux/W95/WNT and Linux/W98/W2K systems.
> > >    IIRC, and I might be misremembering, I would
> first 
> > > partition the drive 
> > > using Linux fdisk.  Then I'd install Win9x in C:
> (first 
> > > DOS-type Primary 
> > > partition), WinNT in another DOS partition
> (usually formatted 
> > > NTFS), and 
> > > then Linux somewhere else.  WinNT (or 2k) would
> see that I 
> > > already had 9x 
> > > installed, add an entry to NTLoader for me, and
> install it in 
> > > the root 
> > > block of C:.  During the Linux install I'd
> create a LILO 
> > > entry pointing to 
> > > that partition (usually /dev/hda2, since /boot
> was hda1) and 
> > > I'd just call 
> > > it "Windows".
> > >    This left me with one step to get to Linux
> (LILO->Linux), 
> > > or two to 
> > > either Windows (LILO->NTLoader->WinNT/9x).  I
> found this to 
> > > be much easier 
> > > than tricking NTLoader into booting LILO.
> > > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at blu.org
> > http://www.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:12:54 -0400
> From: "Derek D. Martin" <ddm at pizzashack.org>
> To: "BLU Users' Group" <discuss at Blu.Org>
> Subject: Re: Some installfest issues
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> At some point hitherto, Jim Kelly-Rand hath spake
> thusly:
> > In all the dual boot documentation that I have
> read, the NT boot loader must
> > be on the first partition and you must load linux
> through NT's boot loader.
> > Ihave documentation at home of the process I went
> through to achieve an
> > NT/Linux dual boot but I am not there now.
> 
> I have actually run into this problem personally, so
> I can vouch for
> it as having at least once been true...  But
> everyone I've talked to
> lately says this is no longer necessary, and that
> lilo can boot NT
> directly these days...
> 
> - -- 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:17:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Matthew J. Brodeur" <mbrodeur at NextTime.com>
> To: BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> 
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> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> 
> > On 22 Apr 2002 at 12:48, Jim Kelly-Rand wrote:
> > 
> > > My next question would be to ask how  the person
> at the installfest wanted
> > > to share the common data between the 3 systems?
> As far as I know Linux
> > > cannot write to an NTFS partition, nor can W98.
> Vice versa Wxx cannot write
> > > to ext2-3, or am I mistaken? I could install NT
> and 98 to the most primitive
> > > versions of the fat FS and then Linux could
> write to that format. 
> >
> > If you want to share data between Linux, NT and
> Windows 9x, then a Windows 
> > FAT32 partition would be the better place because
> all 3 OSs can read and 
> > write. 
> 
>    Ditto.  If I were doing another tri-boot I'd have
> a large FAT32 
> partition separate from the three OS partitions.  If
> you're still using NT 
> (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the shared
> space, though.
>    I have heard of drivers for Windows to access
> ext2, but I don't know 
> that they're any more stable than the Linux NTFS
> driver.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - -- 
>      -Matt
> 
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> Message: 5
> From: Jim Kelly-Rand <JKelly-rand at kmwarch.com>
> To: "'Matthew J. Brodeur'" <mbrodeur at NextTime.com>,
> 	BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:18:17 -0400
> 
> I tried two of the available Ext2 reading/writing
> utilities and neither
> recommended the write feature. So I didn't try.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew J. Brodeur
> [mailto:mbrodeur at NextTime.com]
> > (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the shared
> space, though.
> >    I have heard of drivers for Windows to access
> ext2, but I 
> > don't know 
> > that they're any more stable than the Linux NTFS
> driver.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - -- 
> >      -Matt
> 
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> Message: 6
> From: "Jerry Feldman" <gaf at blu.org>
> Organization: Boston Linux & Unix
> To: BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:57:38 -0400
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> 
> Why FAT16 though. I would think that if one of the
> OSs were the original 
> Windows95 or earlier, then FAT16 would be necessary.
> But, FAT32 has been 
> used since Windows95 OSR1. 
> BTW: Tools like Partition Magic can convert NTFS to
> FAT32 and ViceVersa.
> I would recommend that all NT based systems use NTFS
> for most of their 
> stuff though. 
> On 22 Apr 2002 at 14:17, Matthew J. Brodeur wrote:
> >    Ditto.  If I were doing another tri-boot I'd
> have a large FAT32 
> > partition separate from the three OS partitions. 
> If you're still using NT 
> > (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the shared
> space, though.
> >    I have heard of drivers for Windows to access
> ext2, but I don't know 
> > that they're any more stable than the Linux NTFS
> driver.
> 
> --
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> Message: 7
> From: Jim Kelly-Rand <JKelly-rand at kmwarch.com>
> To: 'Jerry Feldman' <gaf at blu.org>, BLU Discuss List
> <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:00:22 -0400
> 
> I am not sure that NT can read the Fat32 partitions,
> does anyone know?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry Feldman [mailto:gaf at blu.org]
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:58 PM
> > To: BLU Discuss List
> > Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> > 
> > 
> > Why FAT16 though. I would think that if one of the
> OSs were 
> > the original 
> > Windows95 or earlier, then FAT16 would be
> necessary. But, 
> > FAT32 has been 
> > used since Windows95 OSR1. 
> > BTW: Tools like Partition Magic can convert NTFS
> to FAT32 and 
> > ViceVersa.
> > I would recommend that all NT based systems use
> NTFS for most 
> > of their 
> > stuff though. 
> > On 22 Apr 2002 at 14:17, Matthew J. Brodeur wrote:
> > >    Ditto.  If I were doing another tri-boot I'd
> have a large FAT32 
> > > partition separate from the three OS partitions.
>  If you're 
> > still using NT 
> > > (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the
> shared space, though.
> > >    I have heard of drivers for Windows to access
> ext2, but 
> > I don't know 
> > > that they're any more stable than the Linux NTFS
> driver.
> > 
> > --
> > Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
> > Associate Director
> > Boston Linux and Unix user group
> > http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
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> > _______________________________________________
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> > Discuss at blu.org
> > http://www.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > 
> 
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> Message: 8
> To: Jim Kelly-Rand <JKelly-rand at kmwarch.com>
> Cc: "'Jerry Feldman'" <gaf at blu.org>,
> 	BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: Re: Some installfest issues
> From: Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU>
> Date: 22 Apr 2002 15:18:40 -0400
> 
> IIRC NT4 could not, but I believe that W2k can.
> 
> -derek
> 
> Jim Kelly-Rand <JKelly-rand at kmwarch.com> writes:
> 
> > I am not sure that NT can read the Fat32
> partitions, does anyone know?
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jerry Feldman [mailto:gaf at blu.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:58 PM
> > > To: BLU Discuss List
> > > Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why FAT16 though. I would think that if one of
> the OSs were 
> > > the original 
> > > Windows95 or earlier, then FAT16 would be
> necessary. But, 
> > > FAT32 has been 
> > > used since Windows95 OSR1. 
> > > BTW: Tools like Partition Magic can convert NTFS
> to FAT32 and 
> > > ViceVersa.
> > > I would recommend that all NT based systems use
> NTFS for most 
> > > of their 
> > > stuff though. 
> > > On 22 Apr 2002 at 14:17, Matthew J. Brodeur
> wrote:
> > > >    Ditto.  If I were doing another tri-boot
> I'd have a large FAT32 
> > > > partition separate from the three OS
> partitions.  If you're 
> > > still using NT 
> > > > (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the
> shared space, though.
> > > >    I have heard of drivers for Windows to
> access ext2, but 
> > > I don't know 
> > > > that they're any more stable than the Linux
> NTFS driver.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
> > > Associate Director
> > > Boston Linux and Unix user group
> > > http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:22:46 -0400
> To: Jim Kelly-Rand <JKelly-rand at kmwarch.com>,
> 	BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> From: Drew Taylor <drew at drewtaylor.com>
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> 
> W2k can definitely read FAT32 partitions - on my
> home system I have no NTFS 
> partitions at the moment.
> 
> Drew
> 
> At 03:00 PM 4/22/02 -0400, Jim Kelly-Rand wrote:
> >I am not sure that NT can read the Fat32
> partitions, does anyone know?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jerry Feldman [mailto:gaf at blu.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:58 PM
> > > To: BLU Discuss List
> > > Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> > >
> > >
> > > Why FAT16 though. I would think that if one of
> the OSs were
> > > the original
> > > Windows95 or earlier, then FAT16 would be
> necessary. But,
> > > FAT32 has been
> > > used since Windows95 OSR1.
> > > BTW: Tools like Partition Magic can convert NTFS
> to FAT32 and
> > > ViceVersa.
> > > I would recommend that all NT based systems use
> NTFS for most
> > > of their
> > > stuff though.
> > > On 22 Apr 2002 at 14:17, Matthew J. Brodeur
> wrote:
> > > >    Ditto.  If I were doing another tri-boot
> I'd have a large FAT32
> > > > partition separate from the three OS
> partitions.  If you're
> > > still using NT
> > > > (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the
> shared space, though.
> > > >    I have heard of drivers for Windows to
> access ext2, but
> > > I don't know
> > > > that they're any more stable than the Linux
> NTFS driver.
> 
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Matthew J. Brodeur" <mbrodeur at NextTime.com>
> To: BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: RE: Some installfest issues
> 
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> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> 
> > On 22 Apr 2002 at 14:17, Matthew J. Brodeur wrote:
> > > If you're still using NT (ugh) you'd have to
> stick w/ FAT16 for the
> > > shared space, though.
> >
> > Why FAT16 though. I would think that if one of the
> OSs were the original 
> > Windows95 or earlier, then FAT16 would be
> necessary. But, FAT32 has been 
> > used since Windows95 OSR1. 
> 
>    Windows NT 4.0, which is _almost_ always what I
> mean when I say NT, 
> never supported FAT32.  Windows NT 5.0, aka Windows
> 2000, definitely 
> *does* support it, and has done so all along.
> 
> 
> > I would recommend that all NT based systems use
> NTFS for most of their 
> > stuff though. 
> 
>    Sure.  As I mentioned before, on a tri-boot
> system I'd have at least 
> four partitions:
> 	Windows 98	FAT32
> 	Windows 2000	NTFS
> 	Linux		ext3/XFS
> 	storage		FAT32
> 
>    If you had to run NT4 instead of 2k the storage
> partition would have to 
> be FAT16.  I think that Win9x would have to be on
> FAT16 as well, since NT 
> has to be able to write boot loader files into that
> drive.
>    I also have no idea how XP fits into this picture
> because, IMO, it 
> doesn't.
> 
> 
> - -- 
>      -Matt
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:51:32 -0400
> From: "Patrick R. McManus" <mcmanus at ducksong.com>
> Cc: BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: Re: Some installfest issues
> 
> linux ntfs support has been stalled for a few years,
> but there is a
> reasonable chance we'll see rapid progress very
> quickly.
> 
> The existing read-only support has just been totally
> redone, and work
> has begun on write support. A lot has been done in a
> short time:
> 
>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=478526&forum_id=2697
> 
> 
> > >> > partition separate from the three OS
> partitions.  If you're
> > >> still using NT
> > >> > (ugh) you'd have to stick w/ FAT16 for the
> shared space, though.
> > >> >    I have heard of drivers for Windows to
> access ext2, but
> > >> I don't know
> 
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> Message: 12
> To: "Matthew J. Brodeur" <mbrodeur at NextTime.com>
> Cc: BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: Re: Some installfest issues 
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:03:18 -0400
> From: John Abreau <jabr at blu.org>
> 
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> 
> A couple other alternatives:
> 
> 1. Since Windows can read ext2 and Linux can read
> ntfs, you could always
> just copy the files back and forth between the two;
> or
> 
> 2. you could put the shared storage on another
> system that acts as both
> an NFS server and a Samba server. You can also make
> the same file tree
> accessible via http, ftp, rsync, gopher, appleshare,
> netware, etc.
> 
> 
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>    "The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery
> and corruption abound.
>     Children no longer mind their parents, every man
> wants to write a book,
>     and it is evident that the end of the world is
> fast approaching."
>         (translated from an Assyrian stone tablet,
> c. 2800 B.C.)
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:13:01 -0400
> From: Kent Borg <kentborg at borg.org>
> To: John Abreau <jabr at blu.org>
> Cc: "Matthew J. Brodeur" <mbrodeur at NextTime.com>,
> 	BLU Discuss List <discuss at blu.org>
> Subject: Re: Some installfest issues
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 04:03:18PM -0400, John
> Abreau wrote:
> > Since Windows can read ext2 and Linux can read
> ntfs, you could always
> > just copy the files back and forth between the
> two; or
> 
> I like that!
> 
> So how does one tell an XT boot to mount an ext2
> partition?  (And if
> it is actually ext3, does one need to do anything
> special on Linux
> boot, or will the journal come up cleanly?)
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -kb
> 
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> 
> Message: 14
> From: "Numberwhun *****" <numberwhun at hotmail.com>
> To: gaf at blu.org, discuss at blu.org
> Subject: Re: Hard disks
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:57:07 -0400
> 
> I have used both WD and Maxtor, but primarily have
> stuck with the Maxtor 
> Drives.  I have not really had a problem with them
> and as mentioned by many 
> others, they usually win on price.  My way of
> deciding is to shop around the 
> sale brochures and find out who has the best deal at
> the time.  In my 
> opinion, you can't lose with either brand.
> 
> #jlk
> 
> 
> >From: "Jerry Feldman" <gaf at blu.org>
> >To: discuss at blu.org
> >Subject: Hard disks
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:57:20 -0400
> >
> >I am considering buying a new hard disk for my
> Linux PC for the explicit
> >purpose of backup.
> >In the past, I have been burned by removable
> devices (tapes and disks).
> >Also, in the past, I have had good luck with
> Western Digital.
> >Currently EIDE 100GB are running about $130. WD
> seems to be about $20
> >higher than Maxtor.
> >My strategy is to have one backup HD and one
> primary HD, and maybe use the
> >8GB as a backup boot system.
> >The reason I don't like tapes is:
> >1. In the past I have found them to be unreliable.
> When I have had to
> >recover, I found the tapes had problems.
> >2. I've got to remember to leave a tape in the
> drive for overnight auto
> >backup.
> >3. Manual backups take too much time.
> >However, tapes to provide a compact copy of data
> that can be placed
> >offsite.
> >
> >With a big hard drive, I can save several backup
> generations, and mount
> >only the backup partition when actually doing a
> backup and recovery. (I
> >actually use rsync to mirror my wife's Windows
> system). As far as my home
> >directory, I back it up nightly onto the second
> drive as a compressed tar
> >archive.
> >In any case, if I have a hard disk failure I should
> be able to recover
> >quickly.
> >
> >So, what I would like to hear is reliability of
> Maxtor vs. Western Digital.
> >
> >
> >
> >What I currently do is to backup my home and
> downloads directory to an 8GB
> >drive and my wife's PC to my primary drive.
> >--
> >Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
> >Associate Director
> >Boston Linux and Unix user group
> >http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
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