Red Hat 7.2 B2 comments (rant)

[rek2 at linuxbusca.com (ReK2WiLdS)]

I still think GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux. and the kernel is Linux
even in the Linux Kernel mailing list FAQ is pointed like that.
and I have a lot of opinions about the reason why some people don't like
to called that way, but I won't say cause I wont make friends.. LOL
The point is nobody here is going to convince no one of what is right or
wrong,  when I started the first email I advised with (rant) and
always pointed "my opinion" I just hope everyone else will do the same
thing for two reasons:
1 first type rant in the topic for those that have no interest on a rant
topic
2 to write that is your opinion is way better than actually make
statements of a issue that nobody have never won(any side) is like emacs
or vi... cause 4 corporations have decided to call gnu/Linux as Linux
don't means that the whole community is doing so. and the community is
what is all  about( at least I think  5 years a go before we became
business ) and things got screw up.

so please don't start a flame of a GNU against Linux war (not saying
that we are actually doing it, but is going that way.)

ReK2



On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 17:45, Rob Ransbottom wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:
> > At some point hitherto, Rob Ransbottom hath spake thusly:
> 
> > something else.  I've been using Linux since 1995, have used both
> 
> Oh, a newbie.
> 
> > > I don't doubt rms' arguments were spurious, that does not de-legitimize
> > > the request itself.
> 
> > How does it not?  The vendors name their products; that is their
> > right.  Even in the world of printed text, the producer of a
> 
> What you say is true enough, but is not responsive to the statement I
> made.  
> 
> That rms requests anyone distributing current linux distros to publicly
> & obviously credit GNU is not unreasonable.
> That he can be obnoxious, etc., is beside the point, except that it
> will turn people away.  It is not has if SUSE/Redhat/Caldera/Mandrake/etc
> were going to agree if he was pleasant or smooth.  rms' world has
> been less friendly than Linus'.
> 
> > What exactly makes them GNU/Linux?  The fact that they include a fair
> > amount of (OPTIONAL) GNU application software that may or may not ever
> > be installed by the user?  It's true that there is a large amount of
> > GNU software shipped with a Linux system; almost none of which is
> > actually required to be installed for the system to be useful.  This
> 
> Try stripping a system of GNU stuff, then tell me how well it runs and
> what you actually used it for.
> 
> > software was compiled with gcc, but if I were to use a Windows system
> > with a MyCo web browser and MyCo office suite that was compiled by
> > Borland C/C++ compiler, does that make it Borland/Windows?
> 
> Not the same issue.  Though Microsoft officially said that the browser
> was a core element of the OS.  :-)  
> 
> > attempt to heal it.  Frankly, I find it repugnant, and in some ways
> > directly counter to some of the ideas that he is trying to publicize
> > in so doing.  Part of the reason that Linus has remained in the
> > spotlight for so long, IMO, is precisely because he was always the
> > timid but likable geek who was much more interested in writing good
> > code for people to use, than in getting the credit for it...
> 
> I agree.  But it is easy to be uninterested in credit when you
> are flooded with it.   You yourself might be happy to code for
> 150 an hour until you see the neighboring bozo, that you've been 
> helping, is getting 1000.
> 
> > I AM a free software partisan, and support many of the philosophies
> > espoused by rms, albeit to a lesser degree.  Nevertheless, his
> 
> Well I agree with some also, but I don't count myself a partisan.
> The FSF is about free as in price not about freedom, and the license 
> reflects a generous and paranoid mentality.
> 
> Gee, you've agreed with all the points I was trying to make in 
> that post.  You also disagreed with some too.  Maybe I didn't 
> express myself too well.  Or more likely rms is even more
> abrasive than I think, that would color my response were I thou.
> 
> 
> rob                     Live the dream.
> 
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