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Rich, On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 at 22:49 -0400 Rich Braun was heard to utter: RB> I too have taken measures identical to Joe's, but I do not wish that RB> requirement on my non-technical friends who mainly use hotmail or AOL. RB> Hotmail, in particular, is awful in that it's a spam magnet and the sysadmins RB> there have not done an effective job sorting spam from normal email. I think you hit it on the head with your last sentence; the real issue is that ISP's and mail providers have not taken the appropriate measures to control spam on or through their networks and servers. As with you and Joe, I too have taken similar measures and find that it's about 98% effective. When ISP's do implement Anti-spam measures they often go to the extreme and use some of the more restrictive RBL's as a stop rather than a tag mechanism. This brings large volumes of complaints from users and legitimate external senders which causes the ISP to revert back to the other corner. ISP's need to be accountable for performing their due-diligence against spammers. If even half of them would secure open relays, and utilize a multi-layered approach in their anti-spam/antivirus activities; we would see a dramatic decrease in spam and the related complaint processing. RB> for the public, via webmail/imap this time rather than UUCP. (But it'd take a RB> lot of prodding to get me to do *that* again!) I already do that and some domain hosting for 20+ friends, family members, and associates. Most are mail-only, using Secure IMAP/POP or the web interface but I still have a few shell users. I only officially support Pine -lol- or the web interface, for anything else they are on their own from a support perspective. Spamhaus and njabl are implemented as stop mechanisms at the mail server in addition to the standard server checks-and-balances. From there we run through MailScanner (Antivirus/Antispam) for further marking of spam using the spamcop.net, Infinite-Monkeys RBLs combined with some of spamassassin's tools. Mail marked as spam at the second level is directed to a "junk" folder in the intended recipient's mail folders. Using this approach I stop around 65-70% of the onslaught at the gate with an acceptable level of comfort that I'm not blocking a legitimate message. The rest are processed and filtered to userspace for further action or easy bulk deletion. I also actively participate in the anti-spam effort in conjunction with njabl by allowing them to record queries my mail servers make to their list and check those hosts for open relay status (as stated in the banner when connecting to our mail servers for delivery). This seeming rant had a direction, If I can implement such a system and effectively stop 65% and mark/filter the rest, imagine the results if major ISP's did the same? The solutions all scale; there is no reason short of negligence for them not to implement a proper solution(imho). Regards, --Tim -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean. --
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