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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:19:52 +0900
Derek Martin <invalid at> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 10:34:18PM -0500, Robert L Krawitz wrote:
> > These apps can be used without KDE or GNOME running.
> While true, this statement is a little misleading.  For example, KDE
> apps can be run withouth running a full KDE session, but there are
> underlying services which are required for most KDE apps to run.
> These will be loaded automatically when you start a KDE app.
KDE uses the QT libraries as well as the KDE libraries. GNOME uses the
GTK libraries. So, before you can install any of these apps, you need to
install the appropriate libraries. 

> I remember Paul Swanson (who is a programmer that probably no one but
> me will know) saying that the GEM operating system for the Atari ST
> was ridiculous, because it was 1MB.  He must be going insane these
> days...  ;-)
Probably. Actually, it was TOS (Tramiel Operating System based on DRI's
GEMdos). GEM was the graphical manager. It was interesting that while
TOS was reentrant, it was artificially limited to 5 concurrent tasks.
The lead developer at Atari did not want to enable multi-tasking because
the system did not have an MMU. At one of the shows at the Hines where
the BCS had a boot, the Atari ST boot was adjacent to the Mac booth. I
had fun running Mac apps on my ST and showing them to the Mac people. 

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Jerry Feldman <gaf at>
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