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802.11N confusion
- Subject: 802.11N confusion
- From: tmetro-blu-5a1Jt6qxUNc at public.gmane.org (Tom Metro)
- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:42:28 -0500
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David Kramer wrote: > So I'm shopping for a new Wireless router to replace my WRT54G... > My needs are simple enough; Wireless N, 4 or more ports, would be nice > if it was DD-WRT compatible. Recommendations welcome. I pity the average consumer going to buy a wireless N router. A while ago I replaced my trusty Linksys WRT54G wireless router (being used as an access point) at home with a TRENDnet TEW-652BRP 802.11n router. (The reviews were a bit mixed, but it was cheap and reports were that it was supported by at least some of the open firmware projects, and had decent CPU and RAM, so if nothing else it could be repurposed.) The reality was that after replacing my WRT54G, neither my laptop or Nokia N810 connected as reliably, the laptop didn't show any better signal strength, and worse of all, it still showed that it was connecting at 801.11G speeds. (With kernel updates and antenna position tweaking, my Ubuntu laptop now connects pretty reliably, but the N810 still struggles to establish a connection, unlike with the WRT54G.) That's when I went back to the research drawing board and learned more about 802.11N, how it utilizes two different frequency bands, and that products that use only one of the two bands still get labeled 802.11N, so it's possible your router and laptop aren't even on the same frequency, despite both being N products. It seems the Draft N marketplace is a rather confusing mess. Have you ever looked at the routers for sale at say Staples and wondered why there are 3 similarly described Linksys N routers, each at a different price point ranging from $50 to $130? The devices can vary by the number of streams, number of independently operating antennas, number of bands (2.4 GHz and/or 5.8 GHz), and width of the bands, providing theoretical speeds from 6.5 Mbps to 600 Mbps. See the data rate chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n#Data_rates There's an attempt to distill the most relevant bits into a label of the format a x b:c, where a=transmit antennas, b=receive antennas, and c=streams. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n#Number_of_antennas Good luck making that consumer friendly. So far manufacturers haven't event bothered to report this info. A consequence of this is that you can buy an 801.11n router to go with an 802.11n notebook and experience: 1. no connection if the two run on different frequencies (most single frequency devices use 2.4 GHz, so unlikely), or 2. reduced speed because one or both devices don't have enough antennas, streams, or don't operate at 5 GHz where you're more likely to be able to operate at full bandwidth without interference. Then I read about "single stream" pseudo-N (they're not officially N compliant) routers being brought onto the market as a cheaper alternative: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30804/100/ See also: SmallNetBuilder's Wireless FAQ: The Essentials http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/31083-smallnetbuilders-wireless-faq-the-essentials 5 Ways To Fix Slow 802.11n Speed http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-basics/30664-5-ways-to-fix-slow-80211n-speed All that lowered my expectations of seeing N speeds, but I attempted to look into ways to diagnose the wireless link to my laptop, such as determining what frequencies it and the router supported, and checking to see which channels were more crowded in my area, but I didn't get far before running out of time. I was disappointed to see that the common WiFi scanning tools for Linux wouldn't report the channel that a discovered network was on. (I know the war driving tools, like Kismet, report this, but it shouldn't be necessary to use something that specialized just to look for the least crowded channels.) Similarly there was no apparent way to determine what 802.11 standard was being employed by your wireless connection in Ubuntu, other than inferring it from the reported connection speed. The Intel WiFi driver: iwlagn: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux, 1.3.27ks iwlagn: Copyright(c) 2003-2008 Intel Corporation iwlagn: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 5100AGN REV=0x54 doesn't seem to report that info when a connection is established: wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:...:1d wlan0: authenticated wlan0: associate with AP 00:...:1d wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:...:1d (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=2) wlan0: associated ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready wlan0: no IPv6 routers present Changing the router's channel width from 20 MHz to "auto 20/40 MHz" had no effect on the connection speed. Not surprising if it is connecting in G mode, as that's fixed at 20 MHz. I did try a variety of different channels, and different bandwidth settings on the router, but never achieved anything better than the G speeds. > ...even the $100+ units have a striking number of very low reviews... I noticed that too. I think a big factor is that these are RF devices, and RF is highly dependent on the environment - interference and obstructions. As the number of frequencies and bandwidth goes up, as is the case with N, this will only get worse. (At least until the next technological paradigm shift, like spread spectrum, or MIMO provided in the past.) Then you have to factor in inter-vendor interoperability. Most of the time the client machine is using a wireless interface from a different vendor, and although most interoperability issues have been worked out for 802.11G, they still seem to exist for the newish N. > I know a wireless router is not a trivial device (it's pretty much a > single board computer), but how can top manufacturers produce expensive > units that regularly lock up or disconnect? They're building a complex, self-contained, low-power computer with a multi-band radio transceiver, plus CPU, RAM, and OS that probably rivals what you had on your desktop 8 or 10 years ago, and manufacturing it for probably less than $30. You can bet they've cut some corners. On the up side, I can report that the TRENDnet TEW-652BRP has been stable for the most part, having only been rebooted once since I deployed it. (I have it sending syslog messages to another box, and after about 125 days of uptime it spewed out some cryptic kernel errors that sounded like it was running low on memory. TRENDnet support recommended reflashing the firmware (to the same version) and resetting the configuration. I just rebooted, and it hasn't occurred again in the last 60 days since.) -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/
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