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I'm pricing SSL certificates for my employer: we're talking about putting up a "donations" page, and that means using SSL. Symantec is charging for Beluga caviar and delivering fish eggs: over $700 per year. Thawte, their little-known-but-lower-priced subsidiary, wants $200/year, for a single domain. I want to know where I can get one for less. When I look at the list of certificates that Firefox came with, I'm sure that there is /someone/, /somewhere/, who can sign a certificate without asking my employer to grant them an annuity. I know that there are maybe-yes, maybe-no players in the game, but I can't use them. I need a certificate from someone who's already in /EVERY/ browser: in other words, I can only recommend a purchase from an established certificate authority, not someplace who is trying to become one. Having said /that/, I'll also say that I don't care if I use a company in South Africa or one in Beijing: I only care if the users see a lock icon. Bill -- Bill Horne 339-364-8487