BLU Discuss list archive
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
[Discuss] Friends don't let friends run stock firmware
- Subject: [Discuss] Friends don't let friends run stock firmware
- From: tmetro+blu at gmail.com (Tom Metro)
- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:41:44 -0400
- In-reply-to: <53D5EFE3.1010900@arlsoft.com>
- References: <53D5EFE3.1010900@arlsoft.com>
MBR wrote: > 5. WHAT ROUTERS CAN BE TRUSTED? > > ...I quickly learned that about > 2 years ago, Cisco/Linksys had pushed out their Cloud Connect > firmware to all their routers without the router owners' permission, > and in order for the owner to continue using his own router, he had > no choice but to sign an agreement that allows Cisco to spy on his > Internet use... > > ASUS: The next router I've been considering is the ASUS RT-N66U. > It sounds like ASUS was informed of a major security flaw in their > firmware, and chose to bury their head in the sand instead of fixing > the problem. > > Have any of you seen other router manufacturers trying to seize > control of the hardware, either like Cisco tried to do, or in some > other fashion? If so, which manufacturers, and what have they done? Well, there was the well publicized backdoor that appeared in several router models. I mentioned it in this June BLU posting: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40blu.org/msg09068.html I've been meaning to write up some notes from Jim Gettys talk I mentioned here also in June: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40blu.org/msg09114.html He's trying to spread the line, "Friends don't let friends run stock firmware." But there's more to it than that. For a very long time I've ran 3rd party firmware on my consumer routers, but that alone isn't a great solution if the community around those third party firmware builds is small and fragmented, as has happened with the Tomato firmware. Jim's main takeaway from the talk is that whatever firmware you go with, make sure it is one that is getting regular updates, and apply the updates. He recommended OpenWRT and felt it was being well maintained. I've previously mentioned the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter here: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss at blu.org/msg09064.html which I still don't have first-hand experience with, and thus can't recommend it, but it continues to look interesting based on specs and reviews. It runs a fork of Debian, but I haven't been able to get an answer as to how frequently it receives updates. Years ago I used to have a router separate from a WiFi access point (which was just another consumer-grade router reconfigured). I'm planning to switch back to that model. One reason is that one of the big stumbling blocks in getting third party firmware to support a router is getting the wireless radio to work. Often this requires using a binary blob supplied by the chipset vendor and borrowed from the commercial firmware that came on the router. Another reason is that the more complication you add to your border router, the more opportunities for vulnerabilities there are. (While technically WiFi is on the border of your network, the requirement for physical proximity vastly reduces the number of potential attackers.) So determine what software you want to run on your border router and then select appropriate hardware. (OpenWRT has good hardware guides.) Perhaps you can optimize for a box with more RAM so you can run intrusion detection tools, rather than having that money go to fancy radios. Focus on keeping this router always up to date. Run wires to your 1st floor and install a couple of consumer-grade routers with OpenWRT configured to act as access points. These you can be a bit more lackadaisical about updating. -Tom -- Tom Metro The Perl Shop, Newton, MA, USA "Predictable On-demand Perl Consulting." http://www.theperlshop.com/
- Follow-Ups:
- [Discuss] Friends don't let friends run stock firmware
- From: richard.pieri at gmail.com (Richard Pieri)
- [Discuss] Friends don't let friends run stock firmware
- References:
- [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
- From: mbr at arlsoft.com (MBR)
- [Discuss] Looking for WiFi router with certain characteristics
- Prev by Date: [Discuss] signal propagation in old houses
- Next by Date: [Discuss] access points
- Previous by thread: [Discuss] signal propagation in old houses
- Next by thread: [Discuss] Friends don't let friends run stock firmware
- Index(es):