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- Subject: [Discuss] vnc
- From: bill.n1vux at gmail.com (Bill Ricker)
- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:07:21 -0400
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On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) <blu at nedharvey.com> wrote: > Suppose there is a sentence, "your mother wears combat boots." Suppose an adversary knows this sentence. Then I think we'll all agree, the sentence has 0 bits of entropy, because entropy is a measure of how many guesses an adversary would need to make in order to correctly guess the unknown - and there is no unknown. Now suppose the adversary only knows "your __ther wears combat boots" and suppose the adversary knows the correct answer is either "fa" or "mo". Then I think we'll all agree the sentence has 1 bit of entropy, add a +1 bit for m/\b ( combat | army) \W? boots \b /ix since Army boots is the more popular clich? unless you know more Marines or really liked the movie; and maybe +1.5 for space or hyphen or compound word, and then there's capitals and jump-boots. And 'swims out to troop ships'. Suppose the adversary has a list of clich? sentences but doesn't know which we've picked. How many bits entropy for one of them? (Add one bit for clich?|not decision.) Google Ngram shows 'your mother' is much more common than either 'mother wears' or 'mother (is) so', not unsurprisingly. Books are so stuffy. Another way to estimate bits is type into Google search and watch the suggestions (in a logged-out, incognito/private session so no history bubble). y ..outube your ... song lyrics ... mama jokes m...ama jokes m...omma jokes your mo... mma jokes your mot..her ...her was a hamster ...her should know ...her jokes your mother ... was a hamster ... should know ... jokes ... wears army boots # is 4th. your mother we...ars army boots ...ars combat boots movie ...ent to college looks like 10-16 bits for either phrase, depending how much you credit y,m,t,w and taking part or next suggestion. -- Bill Ricker bill.n1vux at gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux
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