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- Subject: [Discuss] Abolish DST (was This year's Beowulf Bash is not for the lily-livered)
- From: kentborg at borg.org (Kent Borg)
- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 09:51:39 -0800
- In-reply-to: <20211122114001.4c4d7a17.Richard.Pieri@gmail.com>
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On 11/22/21 8:40 AM, Rich Pieri wrote: > DST is not a time zone. DST is "daylight savings time", the process of > changing the clocks twice a year. "Abolish DST" means getting rid of > that process. Two different issues: 1. Changing clocks or not? 2. And if we stop, when do we stop, in the fall or in the spring? In the summer Boston's time zone is EDT*. Morning people want to change the clocks just one last time?as long as it is in the spring, leaving Boston on permanent EDT, but many of realize that has a bad look, so they want to *say* it is actually Atlantic Standard Time. Seems dishonest. Really it would be year around daylight saving time. All my life I've had a lot of cheery people have been turning on lights and making noise and arranging activities and expecting me to be alert and functional and friendly far too early in the morning. I've always thought they were insensitive, but now that they seem to have formed an organized movement determined to make me get up an hour early forever, and I don't feel so generous. It is starting to feel like it has been bullying all along. -kb, the Kent who wants civilian 12 noon to be as close to solar high noon as can be arranged, without causing train wrecks. * Daylight saving (not "savings") time is a series of timezones. We don't change the time twice a year, no, the time stays the same. What we do is adopt a different timezone twice a year. EST exists all year. EDT exists all year. We observe one in the summer and the other in the winter, but they both exist all year. (When people post that such-and-such will happen at 4PM EDT on July-something-th, I always try to resist the pedantic urge to correct.) A lot of computer bugs (MS Windows?) have been because people don't understand that and actually have computer time change, and sometimes changing twice by mistake, or maybe not change twice but maybe have overnight timed jobs occasionally happen twice or never because they were based on just "time". The correct way is not change the time but to adopt the appropriate timezone (Linux and Unix do this correctly). Unambiguous whether it has been done or not, harmless to do twice in quick succession?because maybe cron launched that job twice for some reason?safe to schedule things in the wee hours without risk of them happening twice or never a couple nights a year.
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