[Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

[johnhall2.0 at gmail.com (John Hall)]

Oh my ! It almost sounds like acceptance !

Despite all the naysayers on this list most times it comes up systemctl and
journalctl have become my friends.
 The reason why it's part of so many distributions is that it works. It's
well documented and consistently modular.   I've had problems with
fedora,rhel,  Manjiro and ubuntu over the last 12 years since systemd was
part of the linux distros and and more than one circumstance where I had to
hack to get the system stared up.  None of the problems have been with
systemd. I can remember having plenty of udev troubles back before it was
part of systemd and zero afterward. It seems systemd is a decent kernel
partner not only for loading all the demons and userspace services, also
hot loading all the hardware drivers with udev. Of course some heavy
lifting to get the system started happens before systemd starts.

Maybe one day systemd will add a boot loader. ??

I am not making excuses for security issues that should not have happened
and find the criticisms fascinating but systemd for me is just there now.

Sincerely,
John

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:59?PM Rich Pieri <richard.pieri at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:59:25 -0700
> Kent Borg <kentborg at borg.org> wrote:
>
> > On 6/4/24 07:07, Rich Pieri wrote:
> > > Lennart Poettering's take:
> > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
> > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
> >
> > Very interesting, thank you. Those point out to me that I should have
> > more sympathy for systemd, they tackled a hard problem
>
> And despite all of the problems systemd has? It largely succeeded.
>
> Which is why distribution maintainers *love* systemd to pieces. It
> solves those problems so that they don't have to do it themselves, and
> does so more or less consistently across different distributions.
>
> upstart didn't so much fail as Canonical decided to embrace systemd
> instead. And I don't blame them for that decision: much more cost
> effective letting Red Hat do all that heavy lifting.
>
> --
> \m/ (--) \m/
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