From richard.pieri at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 11:18:18 2025
From: richard.pieri at gmail.com (Rich Pieri)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] Debian 13 PSA: Maybe Don't Upgrade Yet
Message-ID: <20250905111818.6910adc1.Richard.Pieri@gmail.com>

I've been having problems with Debian 13. Among which the most notable
are:

In-place upgrades failing. I have been using Debian since Debian 6 or
7, and this is the first time an in-place major version upgrade has
outright failed on me across multiple machines.

It breaks Ansible. My plays all fail at the start because -- in a first
for me -- the version of Python in Debian 13 is too new.

I'll be sticking with Debian 12 for the foreseeable future.

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From kentborg at borg.org  Fri Sep  5 12:33:45 2025
From: kentborg at borg.org (Kent Borg)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 09:33:45 -0700
Subject: [Discuss] Debian 13 PSA: Maybe Don't Upgrade Yet
In-Reply-To: <20250905111818.6910adc1.Richard.Pieri@gmail.com>
References: <20250905111818.6910adc1.Richard.Pieri@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c0737ab-75e7-42e9-8619-9586b81e1404@borg.org>

On 9/5/25 8:18 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
> I've been having problems with Debian 13. Among which the most notable
> are:
>
> In-place upgrades failing. I have been using Debian since Debian 6 or
> 7, and this is the first time an in-place major version upgrade has
> outright failed on me across multiple machines.
>
> It breaks Ansible. My plays all fail at the start because -- in a first
> for me -- the version of Python in Debian 13 is too new.
>
> I'll be sticking with Debian 12 for the foreseeable future.

I've been using Debian 13 on my Framework 12 laptop since it was in 
testing, and it has worked pretty well for me. I have also been using it 
successfully in various virtual machines; Debian for both host and guest 
OSs.

As for in-place upgrades, I have always been scared of such things, but 
I happen to have recently tried it?and it worked well. This was on a 
Linode/Akamai VM, which means it is their Debian repository (I don't 
know the differences between that and the official version, though the 
Linode/Akamai repository does seem to lag by a day or so) and it is a 
very stripped down installation, but it worked.

I don't use Ansible.


-kb, the Kent who has been using Debian for about as many years (ever 
since Ubuntu started really annoying him).


From richard.pieri at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 14:23:18 2025
From: richard.pieri at gmail.com (Rich Pieri)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:23:18 -0400
Subject: [Discuss] Debian 13 PSA: Maybe Don't Upgrade Yet
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References: <010101991aba32c9-0a3ec02f-1310-4a2f-b11d-c617ccd4a6f2-000000@us-west-2.amazonses.com>
Message-ID: <20250905142318.33397eea.Richard.Pieri@gmail.com>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2025 16:33:54 +0000
"kentborg at borg.org [via Relay]"  wrote:

> I've been using Debian 13 on my Framework 12 laptop since it was in 
> testing, and it has worked pretty well for me. I have also been using
> it successfully in various virtual machines; Debian for both host and
> guest OSs.

As an OS it mostly works just fine and I'm sure the vast majority of
folks upgrading have had no problems. This is after all Debian's
hallmark. I've had no problems with upgrades dating back to Debian 6.
It's just something weird or odd or broken somehow on some of my
machines that will require clean installs at some point.

Ansible is a hard requirement for my job, though, so my work machines
have gone back to Debian 12.

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