[Discuss] systemd sucks and containers suck and language-specific package repos suck

[Derek Atkins]

On Tue, September 15, 2026 9:12 am, Rich Pieri wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 08:32:48 -0400
> markw at mohawksoft.com wrote:
>
>> Containers are useful, but I have issues with docker's server design
>> as it introduces its own vulnerabilities. Podman works well enough, I
>> guess.
>
> Yeah. Containers are not the problem. The two real problems are
> Docker's brain-dead design decisions (I could go on at length and also
> lump Canonical snaps into it) and trash software relying on containers
> to hide their trashiness. Neither are problems with containers
> conceptually.

The concept of having an application in a package with its data "outside"
-- allowing seamless upgrades without changing the surrounding system is
definitely a worthwhile goal.  It sounds great on paper.   It's the
implementation that I question.

For example there is a service I want to set up which is distributed as a
docker image.  Sure.  Okay.  But it depends on three other docker images
(including Postgres -- which is shipped as... you guessed it ... its own
docker image)..   But now I need to set up a VM to run the docker
image(s)!

I suppose I could connect it to my master postgres instead of running yet
another instance.  But the application is not designed to do that.

So yes -- it makes it easier to upgrade the application.  But the system
admin side still requires the host support and maintenance.  I guess it
separates that -- where the app can have its own set of dependencies
independent of the host OS.

Is that worthwhile?  Hard to say.

-derek

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