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    <p>Are we seriously considering a teleconference option that is not
      supported under Linux?????? when there are so many options out
      there that do?</p>
    <p>We're going through the same thing with Agile New England.  Zoom
      has been working fine for our initial tests, and our April meeting
      will be online only using Zoom.  We're also considering Sococo for
      moving our conferences online because it supports breakout rooms
      well.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/20 10:53 PM, John Abreau wrote:<br>
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        <div>I saw a posting from the CDC that suggested a few options
          for virtual meetings, and one of them was skype. I just
          installed skype on my laptop, and it seems it does have a
          group meeting function, plus there's supposed to be a way to
          save a video file of the meeting. <br>
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        <div>I picked up the hotspot from the library this afternoon
          (Sunday), after returning it Saturday, so I'm able to test it
          this week. What's a good day for us to try it out with an
          officer's meeting? <br>
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        <div>If there's no day that works for everyone, we can always
          test it with just a few of us. <br>
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        <div>Regardless of the outcome, of course, we should still
          examine the other options at some point. <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:51
          PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div>typo in previous message: "complete" was supposed to be
              "compete" :-) <br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at
              4:50 PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div>Google Meet sounds like a good option to try. <br>
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                <div>While the question of streaming or archiving the
                  session to youtube is not a show-stopper, it's
                  something I would very much like to do, if possible. <br>
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                <div>I took a brief look at the BlueJeans page. I see
                  the cost of the entry-level package is $9.99/month for
                  up to 50 attendees, and the next level up is
                  $13.99/month for up to 75 attendees.The second one
                  provides up to 10 hours of "Cloud Meeting Recording",
                  whereas the entry-level one doesn't provide for
                  recording at all, so if we could afford it, I'd prefer
                  the one with the recording option. It's unclear from
                  the page whether that's up to 10 hours per meeting,
                  per month, or per year, so we'd need to clarify that
                  before committing to the platform.</div>
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                <div>The other options Bill mentions are also worth
                  looking into, of course. <br>
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                <div>As for my broadband access, I borrow a 4G/LTE
                  hotspot from my local library for a week at a time. I
                  can't guarantee that I'll have it on the night of the
                  meeting, as I have to complete with other library
                  patrons for access to borrow one of the eight the
                  library provides, but most of the time I've been able
                  to borrow it again the day after returning it. <br>
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                <div>Of course, if the library decides to shut down
                  completely due to the pandemic, then I may no longer
                  be able to borrow the hotspot. <br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 14, 2020
                  at 3:17 PM Bill Ricker <<a
                    href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                        style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Adding Tom
                          Metro</b> to CC: list since he has experience
                        and opinions in remote meeting tech.<br>
                        <br>
                        I've seen a number of new-to-work-from-home and
                        new-to-teaching-online posts on twitter this
                        week.<br>
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                        style="font-family:georgia,serif">Two threads
                        (of many) by old hands at
                        remote-meeting/teaching that have useful info<br>
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                        style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Options</b>
                        (addressed to non-tech, but really is addressing
                        anyone new to WFH)  <br>
                          <a rel="nofollow"
                          href="https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/1238690177435852803?s=09"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/1238690177435852803?s=09</a><br>
                        <br>
                        <b>Hints for Zoom instructor</b>, half will
                        apply to all platforms and many to non-academic
                        semi-lecture meeting like ours<br>
                           <a rel="nofollow"
                          href="https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1238838659949961216?s=19"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1238838659949961216?s=19</a><br>
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                        style="font-family:georgia,serif">My own <b>comments</b>
                        on platforms - <br>
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                        <ul>
                          <li><b>Screenleap</b> has 45 minutes (iirc) on
                            free account and only-presenter-pays options
                            also. <br>
                            Desktop clients for win, mac, Android, iOS.
                            <br>
                            Iirc one of chrome or firefox would let me
                            share a window on linux; the other would
                            only let me share a tab.<br>
                            (<i>This may have changed with new FireFox
                              security which is more flexible and
                              explicit this year</i>. <i>We haven't
                              used this one as much lately so not really
                              current on it</i>. <i>When last used, it
                              had some difficulty switching presenters
                              but we eventually got used to how to do it
                              without restarting meetings</i>.)<br>
                            <br>
                          </li>
                          <li><b>Slack</b> has screenshare/meetings too.
                            <i>I think i used it once or twice, don't
                              remember details.</i><br>
                            <br>
                          </li>
                          <li><b>Google Meet</b>: Works well with our
                            remote client and their remote team.<br>
                            Oddly Android client is least featureful,
                            can't feed a screenshare; I suspect because
                            Android has better program separation but
                            might be less multiprocessing? (Android can
                            watch screenshare. )<br>
                            Includes a phone bridge dial-in for folks
                            who want audio via phone instead of
                            tablet/laptop for whatever reason, or only
                            want audio.<br>
                            Larger Meetings can be set to automute.
                            Individuals can unmute/mute selves; and
                            toggle their video camera. <br>
                            Will work with camera off.<br>
                            With Latest FireFox, the user must grant
                            camera, mic, screenshare privs to in-tab
                            applet, and FF keeps a visible warning that
                            one is sharing, very nice. (<i>And will work
                              if you deny camera, which i do.</i>)<br>
                            I haven't tried with Chrome but i think Tom
                            did. We recently shared both Terminal window
                            and a Google Docs tab alternately, switching
                            presenters. <br>
                          </li>
                        </ul>
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                      class="gmail_default">Smaller replies interleaved
                      below  ...</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 14,
                        2020 at 9:47 AM Jerry Feldman <<a
                          href="mailto:gaf.linux@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gaf.linux@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Some
                            of our speakers may have access to a video
                            conferencing system. We certainly could have
                            the speaker give his/her talk via YouTube.
                            But, our next speaker is Federico who has
                            access to <a
                              href="https://www.bluejeans.com/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">BlueJeans</a>. </div>
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                        class="gmail_default">Perfectly reasonable to
                        let the speaker present with their preferred
                        brand.<br>
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                      <div style="font-family:georgia,serif"
                        class="gmail_default">(Whether we can or should
                        capture a BlueJeans presentation on our YouTube
                        channel is a separate question.)</div>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">In
                            the future, we can explore ways to be able
                            to conduct online meetings where the
                            audience will be able to interact with the
                            speaker. </div>
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                        class="gmail_default">Having an IRC-like back
                        channel, either in the presentation app or on a
                        second screen (tablet) can work.</div>
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                        class="gmail_default">Some of the apps allow
                        participants to unmute themselves and butt right
                        in, others have RAISE HAND button and chat
                        channel.<br>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">We
                            would need to secure a location with a high
                            enough bandwidth for the speaker, </div>
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                        class="gmail_default">Staples Brighton has a
                        WeWork or equivalent meeting space in the back,
                        but if they have any sense they've shut that
                        down for the duration.</div>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">or
                            the speaker could present from his/her home
                            or work. </div>
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                      <div><span class="gmail_default"
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                      <div><span class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:georgia,serif">During this
                          time of sanitary isolation that's probably
                          ideal.</span></div>
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                          style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">We
                            would probably need to buy a license that
                            would allow our members to connect.
                            (Possibly Boston User Groups could use its
                            funds to acquire a license). For us, we must
                            be able to use Linux. I'm sure most support
                            Android. </div>
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                        class="gmail_default">True Linux Desktop clients
                        are few and far between (due to the infinitude
                        of testing space) but ability to work from the
                        browser on Linux is more common; some Electron
                        "It's not a browser" apps exist (e.g. Slack).</div>
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                        class="gmail_default">As noted in my comments
                        above, at least Google Meet native Android App
                        can not drive a screen share - which is likely
                        an OS restriction so i suspect may be across the
                        board.</div>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Zoom
                            is $14.99/Mo</div>
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                      <div><span class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:georgia,serif">This seems
                          to be the popular choice for Universities
                          going On Line.</span></div>
                      <div><span class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:georgia,serif">Per Glenn's
                          comments, they've fixed their egregious
                          security botch.</span></div>
                      <div><span class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">SamePage
                            has a free option. Prices start at
                            $7.50/User</div>
                          <div
                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">RingCentral $14.99/Mo</div>
                          <div
                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">jitsi <a
                              href="https://jitsi.org/" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://jitsi.org/</a> Free/Open
                            source. We may be able to use this. Source
                            is on github.</div>
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                            style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Google
                            Hangouts Meet</div>
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                      <div><span class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:georgia,serif">I like, am
                          using at least weekly with client currently.</span></div>
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                          style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div>
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                              style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Talky
                              (<a href="https://talky.io/"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://talky.io/</a>)
                              built on jitsi</div>
                          </div>
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                              style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Let's
                              take a look at the above list and add or
                              subtract. </div>
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                        class="gmail_default">See my list and resources
                        above.</div>
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                              style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">I
                              would like to be able to test 1 or more of
                              these online within a few days among us. I
                              would prefer all of John, Me, Kurt, Bill,
                              and Dave. I think John is the key here
                              since he does not really have
                              home internet. </div>
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                        class="gmail_default">If John doesn't have home
                        broadband, how would he consume a streaming
                        video meeting from home?  <br>
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                        class="gmail_default">4G tablet OTA?<br>
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                        class="gmail_default">I don't expect anything
                        beyond text chat and audio will work well over
                        dialup, iffy on ADSL  !  <br>
                        Self-isolation w/o broadband is not going to be
                        pleasant!<br>
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