<div dir="ltr"><div>We're not at the point yet of considering anything. Right now we're at the point of testing and comparing various options, and SamePlace is one of the options that Jerry listed in his initial email. <br></div><div><br></div><div>It's been almost 10 years since I last looked at this sort of thing, so it makes sense to me to check out what the current state of the art is. <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:35 AM David Kramer <<a href="mailto:david@thekramers.net">david@thekramers.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Are we seriously considering a teleconference option that is not
supported under Linux?????? when there are so many options out
there that do?</p>
<p>We're going through the same thing with Agile New England. Zoom
has been working fine for our initial tests, and our April meeting
will be online only using Zoom. We're also considering Sococo for
moving our conferences online because it supports breakout rooms
well.<br>
</p>
<div>On 3/15/20 10:53 PM, John Abreau wrote:<br>
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<div>I saw a posting from the CDC that suggested a few options
for virtual meetings, and one of them was skype. I just
installed skype on my laptop, and it seems it does have a
group meeting function, plus there's supposed to be a way to
save a video file of the meeting. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I picked up the hotspot from the library this afternoon
(Sunday), after returning it Saturday, so I'm able to test it
this week. What's a good day for us to try it out with an
officer's meeting? <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If there's no day that works for everyone, we can always
test it with just a few of us. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regardless of the outcome, of course, we should still
examine the other options at some point. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:51
PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com" target="_blank">abreauj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>typo in previous message: "complete" was supposed to be
"compete" :-) <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at
4:50 PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com" target="_blank">abreauj@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Google Meet sounds like a good option to try. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While the question of streaming or archiving the
session to youtube is not a show-stopper, it's
something I would very much like to do, if possible. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I took a brief look at the BlueJeans page. I see
the cost of the entry-level package is $9.99/month for
up to 50 attendees, and the next level up is
$13.99/month for up to 75 attendees.The second one
provides up to 10 hours of "Cloud Meeting Recording",
whereas the entry-level one doesn't provide for
recording at all, so if we could afford it, I'd prefer
the one with the recording option. It's unclear from
the page whether that's up to 10 hours per meeting,
per month, or per year, so we'd need to clarify that
before committing to the platform.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The other options Bill mentions are also worth
looking into, of course. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As for my broadband access, I borrow a 4G/LTE
hotspot from my local library for a week at a time. I
can't guarantee that I'll have it on the night of the
meeting, as I have to complete with other library
patrons for access to borrow one of the eight the
library provides, but most of the time I've been able
to borrow it again the day after returning it. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, if the library decides to shut down
completely due to the pandemic, then I may no longer
be able to borrow the hotspot. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 14, 2020
at 3:17 PM Bill Ricker <<a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Adding Tom
Metro</b> to CC: list since he has experience
and opinions in remote meeting tech.<br>
<br>
I've seen a number of new-to-work-from-home and
new-to-teaching-online posts on twitter this
week.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Two threads
(of many) by old hands at
remote-meeting/teaching that have useful info<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Options</b>
(addressed to non-tech, but really is addressing
anyone new to WFH) <br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/1238690177435852803?s=09" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/1238690177435852803?s=09</a><br>
<br>
<b>Hints for Zoom instructor</b>, half will
apply to all platforms and many to non-academic
semi-lecture meeting like ours<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1238838659949961216?s=19" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1238838659949961216?s=19</a><br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">My own <b>comments</b>
on platforms - <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
<ul>
<li><b>Screenleap</b> has 45 minutes (iirc) on
free account and only-presenter-pays options
also. <br>
Desktop clients for win, mac, Android, iOS.
<br>
Iirc one of chrome or firefox would let me
share a window on linux; the other would
only let me share a tab.<br>
(<i>This may have changed with new FireFox
security which is more flexible and
explicit this year</i>. <i>We haven't
used this one as much lately so not really
current on it</i>. <i>When last used, it
had some difficulty switching presenters
but we eventually got used to how to do it
without restarting meetings</i>.)<br>
<br>
</li>
<li><b>Slack</b> has screenshare/meetings too.
<i>I think i used it once or twice, don't
remember details.</i><br>
<br>
</li>
<li><b>Google Meet</b>: Works well with our
remote client and their remote team.<br>
Oddly Android client is least featureful,
can't feed a screenshare; I suspect because
Android has better program separation but
might be less multiprocessing? (Android can
watch screenshare. )<br>
Includes a phone bridge dial-in for folks
who want audio via phone instead of
tablet/laptop for whatever reason, or only
want audio.<br>
Larger Meetings can be set to automute.
Individuals can unmute/mute selves; and
toggle their video camera. <br>
Will work with camera off.<br>
With Latest FireFox, the user must grant
camera, mic, screenshare privs to in-tab
applet, and FF keeps a visible warning that
one is sharing, very nice. (<i>And will work
if you deny camera, which i do.</i>)<br>
I haven't tried with Chrome but i think Tom
did. We recently shared both Terminal window
and a Google Docs tab alternately, switching
presenters. <br>
</li>
</ul>
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Smaller replies interleaved
below ...</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 14,
2020 at 9:47 AM Jerry Feldman <<a href="mailto:gaf.linux@gmail.com" target="_blank">gaf.linux@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Some
of our speakers may have access to a video
conferencing system. We certainly could have
the speaker give his/her talk via YouTube.
But, our next speaker is Federico who has
access to <a href="https://www.bluejeans.com/" target="_blank">BlueJeans</a>. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Perfectly reasonable to
let the speaker present with their preferred
brand.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(Whether we can or should
capture a BlueJeans presentation on our YouTube
channel is a separate question.)</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">In
the future, we can explore ways to be able
to conduct online meetings where the
audience will be able to interact with the
speaker. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Having an IRC-like back
channel, either in the presentation app or on a
second screen (tablet) can work.</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Some of the apps allow
participants to unmute themselves and butt right
in, others have RAISE HAND button and chat
channel.<br>
</div>
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<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">We
would need to secure a location with a high
enough bandwidth for the speaker, </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Staples Brighton has a
WeWork or equivalent meeting space in the back,
but if they have any sense they've shut that
down for the duration.</div>
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<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">or
the speaker could present from his/her home
or work. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">During this
time of sanitary isolation that's probably
ideal.</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div>
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<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">We
would probably need to buy a license that
would allow our members to connect.
(Possibly Boston User Groups could use its
funds to acquire a license). For us, we must
be able to use Linux. I'm sure most support
Android. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">True Linux Desktop clients
are few and far between (due to the infinitude
of testing space) but ability to work from the
browser on Linux is more common; some Electron
"It's not a browser" apps exist (e.g. Slack).</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">As noted in my comments
above, at least Google Meet native Android App
can not drive a screen share - which is likely
an OS restriction so i suspect may be across the
board.</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
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<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Zoom
is $14.99/Mo</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">This seems
to be the popular choice for Universities
going On Line.</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Per Glenn's
comments, they've fixed their egregious
security botch.</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">SamePage
has a free option. Prices start at
$7.50/User</div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">RingCentral $14.99/Mo</div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">jitsi <a href="https://jitsi.org/" target="_blank">https://jitsi.org/</a> Free/Open
source. We may be able to use this. Source
is on github.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> </div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Google
Hangouts Meet</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I like, am
using at least weekly with client currently.</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Talky
(<a href="https://talky.io/" target="_blank">https://talky.io/</a>)
built on jitsi</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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<div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Let's
take a look at the above list and add or
subtract. </div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">See my list and resources
above.</div>
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<div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">I
would like to be able to test 1 or more of
these online within a few days among us. I
would prefer all of John, Me, Kurt, Bill,
and Dave. I think John is the key here
since he does not really have
home internet. </div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">If John doesn't have home
broadband, how would he consume a streaming
video meeting from home? <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">4G tablet OTA?<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I don't expect anything
beyond text chat and audio will work well over
dialup, iffy on ADSL ! <br>
Self-isolation w/o broadband is not going to be
pleasant!<br>
</div>
</div>
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