<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:#0000ff">Blue Jeans is out of our price range</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:51 PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com">abreauj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Google Meet sounds like a good option to try. <br></div><div><br></div><div>While the question of streaming or archiving the session to youtube is not a show-stopper, it's something I would very much like to do, if possible. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I took a brief look at the BlueJeans page. I see the cost of the entry-level package is $9.99/month for up to 50 attendees, and the next level up is $13.99/month for up to 75 attendees.The second one provides up to 10 hours of "Cloud Meeting Recording", whereas the entry-level one doesn't provide for recording at all, so if we could afford it, I'd prefer the one with the recording option. It's unclear from the page whether that's up to 10 hours per meeting, per month, or per year, so we'd need to clarify that before committing to the platform.</div><div><br></div><div>The other options Bill mentions are also worth looking into, of course. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As for my broadband access, I borrow a 4G/LTE hotspot from my local library for a week at a time. I can't guarantee that I'll have it on the night of the meeting, as I have to complete with other library patrons for access to borrow one of the eight the library provides, but most of the time I've been able to borrow it again the day after returning it. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Of course, if the library decides to shut down completely due to the pandemic, then I may no longer be able to borrow the hotspot. <br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:17 PM Bill Ricker <<a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Adding Tom Metro</b> to CC: list since he has experience and opinions in remote meeting tech.<br><br>I've seen a number of new-to-work-from-home and new-to-teaching-online posts on twitter this week.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Two threads (of many) by old hands at remote-meeting/teaching that have useful info<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><b>Options</b> (addressed to non-tech, but really is addressing anyone new to WFH) <br> <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/1238690177435852803?s=09" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/GlennF/status/1238690177435852803?s=09</a><br><br><b>Hints for Zoom instructor</b>, half will apply to all platforms and many to non-academic semi-lecture meeting like ours<br> <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1238838659949961216?s=19" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1238838659949961216?s=19</a><br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">My own <b>comments</b> on platforms - <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><ul><li><b>Screenleap</b> has 45 minutes (iirc) on free account and only-presenter-pays options also. <br>Desktop clients for win, mac, Android, iOS. <br>Iirc one of chrome or firefox would let me share a window on linux; the other would only let me share a tab.<br>(<i>This may have changed with new FireFox security which is more flexible and explicit this year</i>. <i>We haven't used this one as much lately so not really current on it</i>. <i>When last used, it had some difficulty switching presenters but we eventually got used to how to do it without restarting meetings</i>.)<br><br></li><li><b>Slack</b> has screenshare/meetings too. <i>I think i used it once or twice, don't remember details.</i><br><br></li><li><b>Google Meet</b>: Works well with our remote client and their remote team.<br>Oddly
Android client is least featureful, can't feed a screenshare; I suspect
because Android has better program separation but might be less
multiprocessing? (Android can watch screenshare. )<br>Includes a phone bridge dial-in for folks who want audio via phone instead of tablet/laptop for whatever reason, or only want audio.<br>Larger Meetings can be set to automute. Individuals can unmute/mute selves; and toggle their video camera. <br>Will work with camera off.<br>With Latest FireFox, the user must grant camera, mic, screenshare privs to in-tab applet, and FF keeps a visible warning that one is sharing, very nice. (<i>And will work if you deny camera, which i do.</i>)<br>I haven't tried with Chrome but i think Tom did. We recently shared both Terminal window and a Google Docs tab alternately, switching presenters. <br></li></ul></div></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Smaller replies interleaved below ...</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:47 AM Jerry Feldman <<a href="mailto:gaf.linux@gmail.com" target="_blank">gaf.linux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Some of our speakers may have access to a video conferencing system. We certainly could have the speaker give his/her talk via YouTube. But, our next speaker is Federico who has access to <a href="https://www.bluejeans.com/" target="_blank">BlueJeans</a>. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Perfectly reasonable to let the speaker present with their preferred brand.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">(Whether we can or should capture a BlueJeans presentation on our YouTube channel is a separate question.)</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">In the future, we can explore ways to be able to conduct online meetings where the audience will be able to interact with the speaker. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Having an IRC-like back channel, either in the presentation app or on a second screen (tablet) can work.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Some of the apps allow participants to unmute themselves and butt right in, others have RAISE HAND button and chat channel.<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)"></div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">We would need to secure a location with a high enough bandwidth for the speaker, </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Staples Brighton has a WeWork or equivalent meeting space in the back, but if they have any sense they've shut that down for the duration.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">or the speaker could present from his/her home or work. </div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">During this time of sanitary isolation that's probably ideal.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">We would probably need to buy a license that would allow our members to connect. (Possibly Boston User Groups could use its funds to acquire a license). For us, we must be able to use Linux. I'm sure most support Android. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">True Linux Desktop clients are few and far between (due to the infinitude of testing space) but ability to work from the browser on Linux is more common; some Electron "It's not a browser" apps exist (e.g. Slack).</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">As noted in my comments above, at least Google Meet native Android App can not drive a screen share - which is likely an OS restriction so i suspect may be across the board.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)"></div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Zoom is $14.99/Mo</div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">This seems to be the popular choice for Universities going On Line.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Per Glenn's comments, they've fixed their egregious security botch.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">SamePage has a free option. Prices start at $7.50/User</div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">RingCentral $14.99/Mo</div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">jitsi <a href="https://jitsi.org/" target="_blank">https://jitsi.org/</a> Free/Open source. We may be able to use this. Source is on github.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Google Hangouts Meet</div></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I like, am using at least weekly with client currently.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Talky (<a href="https://talky.io/" target="_blank">https://talky.io/</a>) built on jitsi</div></div></div></blockquote><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Let's take a look at the above list and add or subtract. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">See my list and resources above.</div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">I would like to be able to test 1 or more of these online within a few days among us. I would prefer all of John, Me, Kurt, Bill, and Dave. I think John is the key here since he does not really have home internet. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">If John doesn't have home broadband, how would he consume a streaming video meeting from home? <br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">4G tablet OTA?<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">I don't expect anything beyond text chat and audio will work well over dialup, iffy on ADSL ! <br>Self-isolation w/o broadband is not going to be pleasant!<br></div></div><br></div>
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