<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:#0000ff">I just tested JAMI. This is a fully FOSS project. Worked fine with 2 of us, but had many issues with 3. It may be ok with our officers who are all technically inclined. The problem we had with Jami is that on a 3-way call, sometimes the audio would drop out, I lost video. I could re-establish the call, but AFAIK this is not a useful tool.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:#0000ff">What we need for officers is an online conferencing tool that works so that we can get on. I'm investigating tools for the natick FOSS. I can share the list of tools that I made but have not tested. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:#0000ff"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 2:24 PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com">abreauj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>If Zoom is unacceptable, then I imagine skype, hangouts, and the other options mentioned previously will likely also have issues. It sounds like you think it would be bad to even test Zoom. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I looked through those links, and a couple of them recommend Jitsi as an alternative. Apparently we could run our own <a href="http://blu.org" target="_blank">blu.org</a> jitsi server on our hardware. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Shall we test jjitsi instead, or do you have some other platform in mind that we should try? I'd really like to try out something suitable this week for holding an officers meeting with at least 3 participants. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:53 PM Bill Ricker <<a href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Zoom has a terrible privacy policy. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">The Security/Privacy community generally considers Zoom to be indistinguishable from Malware.<br>It does "focus tracking" and will (can be set to) ratfink on attendees who are (perhaps) listening to but not watching the presentation or cluster of faces to the meeting organizer. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">(I can see how that is<i> perceived</i> as beneficial to instructors and Bosses counting attendance / measuring "engagement".)<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Suggestion is that the full list of programs running on your device is available to Zoom and may be available to meeting organizer.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"></div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif"><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis</a></span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif"><a href="https://twitter.com/Ouren/status/1241398181205889024" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/Ouren/status/1241398181205889024</a></span></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif"><a href="https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1148431315190067200?s=19" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1148431315190067200?s=19</a></span></div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">Now if JABR is the meeting organizer this may not bother <i>him</i>, <br>but should BLU as ethical FLOSS advocates be encouraging folks to use things EFF advises against?<br>(or encouraging folks to trust JABR with their privacy? :-D )</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">// bill</div><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix<br>Email: <a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com" target="_blank">abreauj@gmail.com</a> / WWW <a href="http://www.abreau.net" target="_blank">http://www.abreau.net</a> / PGP-Key-ID 0x920063C6<br>PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23 C2D0 E885 E17C 9200 63C6<br><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">--<br><font color="#0000ff">Jerry Feldman <</font><a href="mailto:gaf.linux@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" target="_blank">gaf.linux@gmail.com</a><font color="#0000ff">></font><br><font color="#0000ff">Boston Linux and Unix</font><br><font color="#0000ff">PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7</font><br><font color="#0000ff">Key fingerprint: </font><font color="#0000ff">0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1 3050 5715 B88D 6F6B B6E7</font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>