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    <p>Turns out I'm meeting Steve Ronan to give him a computer tonight
      so I'm not available at 7.  I'm interested in trying it another
      time if possible, and hearing how this test went.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/20 9:38 AM, David Kramer wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/20 5:27 PM, John Abreau
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          <div>Let's do the jitsi test tomorrow evening. Who's available
            to participate?</div>
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          <div>Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 7:00 pm.</div>
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          <div>You can join the meeting directly at the url: <a
              href="https://meet.jit.si/blu.org" moz-do-not-send="true">https://meet.jit.si/blu.org</a></div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:52
            PM John Abreau <<a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                <div>I've added Federico to the conversation. <br>
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                <div>I did some further testing, and found that desktop
                  sharing and windows sharing seem to work well on both
                  hangouts-meet meet and jitsi. <br>
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                <div>I looked into recording the meetings, and I found
                  that jitsi does it out of the box for free, whereas
                  hangouts only provides it for Enterprise accounts,
                  which I assume would be prohibitively expensive for
                  us. Jitsi records the meetings to dropbox, and when I
                  downloaded and played my test recording afterwards,
                  the video and audio quality were excellent. <br>
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                <div>I performed both tests from within google chrome,
                  so both are platform-agnostic. Members won't have to
                  install a dedicated client to attend. Unless they
                  attend by a handheld device, of course, but I saw that
                  jitsi has both iOS and Android client apps, and I
                  assume hangout-meet does as well. I tested the jitsi
                  android app, before I tried it in the browser, and it
                  worked well.<br>
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                <div>If we find that all else is equal, I'm leaning
                  toward jitsi at this point, but I'd still like to run
                  some tests with other participants using both
                  platforms, initially with just a few of us and later
                  with a larger number of participants. </div>
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                <div>Setting up our own jitsi server is an option I'd
                  like to investigate later, but for now we can stick
                  with the existing free server. The roll-your-own
                  server is only actively supported on Ubuntu, and
                  apparently installing it on CentOS is a major hassle,
                  so if we decide to set up our own, I'll want to build
                  the new server with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS instead of CentOS
                  8, and 20.04 won't be released until next month. <br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020
                  at 3:20 PM John Abreau <<a
                    href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I also have a server at home that's meant for
                      our site. I had held off on building it until
                      CentOS 8 was released, then forgot to get back to
                      it, but I'll add that to my todo list and start
                      working on it this week. <br>
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                    <div>I installed jitsi earlier today, just after
                      replying to Bill. It looks okay in the browser and
                      on my android phone, as far as I can tell without
                      other participants, although in firefox it
                      complained about the browser and recommended
                      google chrome instead. The jitsi client
                      application appears to be a text-based chat
                      client; I've been unable to find any video
                      capabilities in it.</div>
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                    <div>I lust connected to Hangout Meet with google
                      chrome using my gapps login. Again, like jitsi, I
                      need some other participants in order to try it
                      out properly. <br>
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                    <div>The video meeting I have open now is at the
                      following link:</div>
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                    <div><a href="https://meet.google.com/oda-sngs-krp"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://meet.google.com/oda-sngs-krp</a></div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24,
                      2020 at 3:01 PM Jerry Feldman <<a
                        href="mailto:gaf.linux@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gaf.linux@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">I
                          agree that G-Hangout-Meet and Jtsi are worth a
                          look. We have 2 issues:</div>
                        <div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">1.
                          April 15th. We just have to coordinate with
                          Federico. </div>
                        <div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">2.
                          Officers. (a more standard
                          collaboration platform, like G-Hangout-Meet</div>
                        <div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">3.
                          I have a server sitting at home that I will
                          bring to the BLU hosting center at some time. </div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar
                          24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Bill Ricker <<a
                            href="mailto:bill.n1vux@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bill.n1vux@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue,
                                Mar 24, 2020 at 2:24 PM John Abreau <<a
                                  href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>If Zoom is unacceptable, then I
                                    imagine skype, hangouts, and the
                                    other options mentioned previously
                                    will likely also have issues. It
                                    sounds like you think it would be
                                    bad to even test Zoom. <br>
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                              <div style="font-family:georgia,serif">While
                                Skype and Hangout-Meet are owned by MS
                                and Alpha/GOOG, respectively somewhat
                                and highly suspect on privacy grounds, i
                                am not <u>aware</u> of any <u>specific</u>
                                privacy issues with them. <br>
                                (I haven't noticed targeted ads as a
                                result of keywords in Hangout... yet ...
                                as i do with G-mail, G-chat and FB DM
                                and post/reply. <br>
                                Creepy but better than all the ED cures
                                they used to offer when my only known
                                demographic was Male.<br>
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                              <div style="font-family:georgia,serif">OTOH
                                you'd think they'd know i eventually
                                bought a mattress after comparison
                                shopping so maybe i don't need another
                                immediately and they can back off that
                                keyword?)<br>
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                                  <div>I looked through those links, and
                                    a couple of them recommend Jitsi as
                                    an alternative. Apparently we could
                                    run our own <a
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                                    jitsi server on our hardware. <br>
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                              <div style="font-family:georgia,serif">That
                                would seem to be the most FLOSS-dogfood
                                option based on the current buzz.<br>
                                I can't personally recommend as I
                                haven't tried Jitsi.<br>
                                Offhand IDK running our own might be
                                required - is there a free server and is
                                it over-subscribed in this crisis?</div>
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                                  <div>Shall we test jjitsi instead, or
                                    do you have some other platform in
                                    mind that we should try? I'd really
                                    like to try out something suitable
                                    this week for holding an officers
                                    meeting with at least 3
                                    participants. <br>
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                              <div style="font-family:georgia,serif">I'm
                                comfortable with G-Hangout-<b>Meet</b>
                                and that is compatible with our existing
                                YouTub archive, bonus.</div>
                              <div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Jitsi
                                probably worth a look.</div>
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                              Bill </div>
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                                      <font color="#0000ff">Jerry
                                        Feldman <</font><a
                                        href="mailto:gaf.linux@gmail.com"
                                        style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"
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                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gaf.linux@gmail.com</a><font
                                        color="#0000ff">></font><br>
                                      <font color="#0000ff">Boston Linux
                                        and Unix</font><br>
                                      <font color="#0000ff">PGP key id:
                                        6F6BB6E7</font><br>
                                      <font color="#0000ff">Key
                                        fingerprint: </font><font
                                        color="#0000ff">0EDC 2FF5 53A6
                                        8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6B
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                    <div dir="ltr">John Abreau / Executive Director,
                      Boston Linux & Unix<br>
                      Email: <a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>
                      / WWW <a href="http://www.abreau.net"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.abreau.net</a>
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                <div dir="ltr">John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston
                  Linux & Unix<br>
                  Email: <a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a>
                  / WWW <a href="http://www.abreau.net" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.abreau.net</a> /
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          <div dir="ltr">John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux
            & Unix<br>
            Email: <a href="mailto:abreauj@gmail.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">abreauj@gmail.com</a> / WWW <a
              href="http://www.abreau.net" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.abreau.net</a> /
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            PGP-Key-Fingerprint A5AD 6BE1 FEFE 8E4F 5C23  C2D0 E885 E17C
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