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<p>Turns out I'm meeting Steve Ronan to give him a computer tonight
so I'm not available at 7. I'm interested in trying it another
time if possible, and hearing how this test went.<br>
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<div>Let's do the jitsi test tomorrow evening. Who's available
to participate?</div>
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<div>Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 7:00 pm.</div>
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<div>I've added Federico to the conversation. <br>
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<div>I did some further testing, and found that desktop
sharing and windows sharing seem to work well on both
hangouts-meet meet and jitsi. <br>
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<div>I looked into recording the meetings, and I found
that jitsi does it out of the box for free, whereas
hangouts only provides it for Enterprise accounts,
which I assume would be prohibitively expensive for
us. Jitsi records the meetings to dropbox, and when I
downloaded and played my test recording afterwards,
the video and audio quality were excellent. <br>
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<div>I performed both tests from within google chrome,
so both are platform-agnostic. Members won't have to
install a dedicated client to attend. Unless they
attend by a handheld device, of course, but I saw that
jitsi has both iOS and Android client apps, and I
assume hangout-meet does as well. I tested the jitsi
android app, before I tried it in the browser, and it
worked well.<br>
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<div>If we find that all else is equal, I'm leaning
toward jitsi at this point, but I'd still like to run
some tests with other participants using both
platforms, initially with just a few of us and later
with a larger number of participants. </div>
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<div>Setting up our own jitsi server is an option I'd
like to investigate later, but for now we can stick
with the existing free server. The roll-your-own
server is only actively supported on Ubuntu, and
apparently installing it on CentOS is a major hassle,
so if we decide to set up our own, I'll want to build
the new server with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS instead of CentOS
8, and 20.04 won't be released until next month. <br>
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<div>I also have a server at home that's meant for
our site. I had held off on building it until
CentOS 8 was released, then forgot to get back to
it, but I'll add that to my todo list and start
working on it this week. <br>
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<div>I installed jitsi earlier today, just after
replying to Bill. It looks okay in the browser and
on my android phone, as far as I can tell without
other participants, although in firefox it
complained about the browser and recommended
google chrome instead. The jitsi client
application appears to be a text-based chat
client; I've been unable to find any video
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<div>I lust connected to Hangout Meet with google
chrome using my gapps login. Again, like jitsi, I
need some other participants in order to try it
out properly. <br>
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<div>The video meeting I have open now is at the
following link:</div>
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agree that G-Hangout-Meet and Jtsi are worth a
look. We have 2 issues:</div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">1.
April 15th. We just have to coordinate with
Federico. </div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">2.
Officers. (a more standard
collaboration platform, like G-Hangout-Meet</div>
<div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,255)">3.
I have a server sitting at home that I will
bring to the BLU hosting center at some time. </div>
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<div>If Zoom is unacceptable, then I
imagine skype, hangouts, and the
other options mentioned previously
will likely also have issues. It
sounds like you think it would be
bad to even test Zoom. <br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif">While
Skype and Hangout-Meet are owned by MS
and Alpha/GOOG, respectively somewhat
and highly suspect on privacy grounds, i
am not <u>aware</u> of any <u>specific</u>
privacy issues with them. <br>
(I haven't noticed targeted ads as a
result of keywords in Hangout... yet ...
as i do with G-mail, G-chat and FB DM
and post/reply. <br>
Creepy but better than all the ED cures
they used to offer when my only known
demographic was Male.<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif">OTOH
you'd think they'd know i eventually
bought a mattress after comparison
shopping so maybe i don't need another
immediately and they can back off that
keyword?)<br>
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<div>I looked through those links, and
a couple of them recommend Jitsi as
an alternative. Apparently we could
run our own <a
href="http://blu.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">blu.org</a>
jitsi server on our hardware. <br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif">That
would seem to be the most FLOSS-dogfood
option based on the current buzz.<br>
I can't personally recommend as I
haven't tried Jitsi.<br>
Offhand IDK running our own might be
required - is there a free server and is
it over-subscribed in this crisis?</div>
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<div>Shall we test jjitsi instead, or
do you have some other platform in
mind that we should try? I'd really
like to try out something suitable
this week for holding an officers
meeting with at least 3
participants. <br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif">I'm
comfortable with G-Hangout-<b>Meet</b>
and that is compatible with our existing
YouTub archive, bonus.</div>
<div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Jitsi
probably worth a look.</div>
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