[Vhfcn-l] Training Versus experience
Arnold B Christensen
abc15 at mindspring.com
Tue Jan 1 14:54:56 EST 2019
We were probably close together in attending Hook
school Richard. My memory says I started in
either March or April 65. My buds were teaching
in late 66. They were probably still on leave in
August 66. When I got there at Eustis to attend
TI school which for our class was an evening
class me and a friend decided to go to the snack
bar and I walked thru the door and heard a chorus
of "Chris"! There they were a half dozen of my
old CE's and FE's. They did tell me where to find
Larry Campbell my old FE. Walked in his classroom
with a bit of a wave to him and then walked to
his quarters which were around the corner and did
some catching up while he ate lunch. Saw Larry
again when he visited Air Vietnam looking for
spare parts for one of his ships that was down
for a Hyd cooler motor. Someone said he had to
go talk to the Army Guys and he walked through
the door to our office and he and I and Jerry
Wnek who also knew him from back in 65 were all
smiles. Sadly all the spare parts were under
Contract and I had no authorization to hand them
out but had to send him down the road to 34Th Gp
and talk to them. He was at that time a Flt Plt
SFC in 180th Big Windy. He was a good man to
learn from on how to handle a Hook in flight
operations. Back in early 65 they had no
instructors with combat time in Nam. The Hooks had not arrived there yet!
Chris
At 08:57 PM 12/31/2018, Richard Lewis wrote:
>I went to Ft, Eustice VA in early 65 then was
>kept as an AI until August 66, then of to the 228th.
>
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>From: <mailto:abc15 at mindspring.com>Arnold B Christensen
>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 5:23 PM
>To: <mailto:richardlewis133 at yahoo.com>Richard Lewis
>Cc: <mailto:vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org>VHFCN1 Pilots and Crew
>Subject: RE: [Vhfcn-l] Training Versus experience
>
>Richard, when did you go to Hook
>school? Several of my Hooker Buds from 65-66
>were instructors at Eustis. I ended up at Ft
>Carson on my return stateside in Aug 66. Ended
>up supporting New Huey Units preparing to go to
>Nam. In 68 I went to TI School and graduated as
>a Chief TI because I was a hard stripe E6.
>Foot
>
>At 05:21 PM 12/31/2018, Richard Lewis wrote:
>
>Having often warmed lunch and dinner on the ramp
>of my hook it never occurred to me to not do
>this, as the guys I learned from had long done this.
>
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>From: <mailto:vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org>Arnold B Christensen via Vhfcn-l
>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 3:50 PM
>To: <mailto:richardlewis133 at yahoo.com>richardlewis133 at yahoo.com
>Cc: <mailto:vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org>VHFCN1 Pilots and Crew
>Subject: Re: [Vhfcn-l] Training Versus experience
>
>At 04:27 PM 12/31/2018, Arnold B Christensen wrote:
>For the Net and
> >>I guess it must have been the luck of the draw
> >>that I became a Hooker! We did cook on the
> >>ramp which was some distance from the aft ends
> >>of the fuel tanks. I will not forget the
> >>answer my Aviation Officer gave me when I
> >>caught him walking through our small hangar. I
> >>told him that there was no smoking allowed in
> >>the hangar. He asked me why. I told him that
> >>we had four aircraft fuel with AVGAS. He said,
> >>'So!'Â I said that one of them might catch fire
> >>and explode. He looked at me smiling and asked
> >>if I had ever heard of General Curtis Lemay. I
> >>replied that yes I had heard of him. He told
> >>me that Gen Lemay was walking around one of his
> >>bombers and got stopped by the crewchief and he
> >>told the General that he could not smoke around
> >>his aircraft because they might catch fire.He
> >>was reported to tell the young crewchief that
> >>he owned all thes bombers and...Son they would
> >>not dare to catch fire because I walked by
> >>smoking.  This is a true story told to me by a
> >>Major William Lenard Alford who was a former
> >>bomber pilot in WW2 and who in fact jetisoned
> >>his bomb load due to a one of his engines
> >>failing in flight. He was a green card 1 over 1
> >>pilot who had well over 5000 hrs. We had to
> >>count the smokes in the little butt can on the
> >>cyclic stick which was not a cyclic stick but
> >>the yoke was attached to it on an L-20A. One
> >>butt was 15 mins flight time. We filled out
> >>his time on the -12. One of my pilots in early
> >>66 asked me if I was afraid our Hook would
> >>catch fire with me cooking Ham and Limas over
> >>and open flame from our one burner. I yelled
> >>to my FE, Larry you smell JP4? No...Why? The
> >>Chief just asked me if I wasn't afraid the ship
> >>would catch fire cooking back here on the
> >>ramp. Larry yelled back...Chief we don't have
> >>and never have had a fuel leak except for the
> >>time my former CrewChief fired his .45 thru the
> >>fuel cell on the right side. Leaked until it
> >>self sealed. My CW4 just shrugged and said, I
> >>just thought I would ask. We had been parked in
> >>the Arty Camp for like 2hrs + waiting from the
> >>ground fog to lift so we could go back to Phu
> >>Cat. Shortly after my dinner of Ham...threw
> >>away the Lima Beans Puff flew by dropping
> >>flares. The container came whistling down and
> >>went thru an aft blade on Ship #2 parked next
> >>to us. They could not leave and go back to Phu
> >>Cat so the GIF's decided finally we would stay
> >>with them. At daybreak the 15th TC brought a
> >>new blade what had no big hole in it from a
> >>cannister. Think it was The Crows Foot out west of Bong Son.
>
>And William you needn't be shouting Bull Chit at
>Roger Ek. He is a Sea Wolf. I personally know
>him and never flew as part of his crew.
>
>Chris the Bigfoot, First Hookers in Vietnam
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> >>>At 01:54 PM 12/31/2018, you wrote:
> >>>>Sorry Roger,    Sounds like BS to me! As a
> >>>>Huey pilot in CU Chi, RVN, I never saw nor
> >>>>let anyone heat a C-ration inside the
> helicopter, NEVER, stop selling BS! >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>On Dec 31, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Roger W. Ek via
> >>>>Vhfcn-l <vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org> wrote: > > > >>
> >>>>On Dec 31, 2018, at 11:00 AM, PAUL BIELECKI
> >>>>via Vhfcn-l <vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org> wrote: >> >>
> >>>>Pilots, unfortunately, have been losing many
> >>>>of the skills we had been taught or needed to
> >>>>acquire as pilots in Vietnam and other early
> >>>>Army Aviation points of station if we were to
> >>>>survive. > > I landed at Moc Hoa during the
> >>>>rainy season. The entire base was very flat
> >>>>and under 6 to 10 inches of water. They were
> >>>>about ready to leave for the worst of the
> >>>>rainy season. A flight of D and H-Models was
> >>>>beside the runway and troops were heating
> >>>>C-rats over open fires IN THE AIRCRAFT. They
> >>>>had small campfires in old chicken plates. At
> >>>>that moment I realized the fundamental
> >>>>difference between Army Aviation and Naval
> >>>>Aviation. > > Fast forward to 1992. We lost
> >>>>some helicopters in “the sandbox†because
> >>>>the lessons we learned about sand, hot
> >>>>weather, density altitude and tactics were
> >>>>forgotten in the interim quarter century from
> >>>>1967 to 1992. Now it has been another quarter
> >>>>century from 1992 to the present. Even
> >>>>civilian light planes have glass cockpits and
> >>>>today’s civilian flight instructors do not
> >>>>tech flying in beta, incipient stall clues or
> >>>>skidded turn stalls (which can be
> >>>>violent). > > My Uncle Martin was a pilot in
> >>>>the Pacific in WWII. He took me for my first
> >>>>flight in 1946 in a Taylorcraft with a steel
> >>>>strap for the tail skid. He was a stick and
> >>>>rudder pilot and a life long flight
> >>>>instructor. > >
> >>>>========================================================Â
> >>>> >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
>  ///,       //// >
> >>>>  \ /,     / >./   For those that have
> >>>>fought for
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