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>true. To non-programmers, it will always be obvious that programming >languages can't be expressive, and there's nothing you could possibly >do to convince them otherwise. But that's the same as saying because you don't speak spanish, it isn't expressive. Of course you can't express anything in a language you do not speak. The only difference between spanish and perl is that there are enough people physically speaking spanish to make a huge uproar if the government said "spanish is not a recognized language, and is not covered under free speech". Who speaks perl? Of the 5 geeks (I would like to be one of them. :-) ) that probably speak full time perl in the US, how many of those are going to solicit understanding from politicians, and if 100% of them make noise.. who's going to hear 5 out of 275,000,000? If there was a large enough group of people able to communicate solely via perl (many people speak spanish AND english) and still get a concept across, then politicians would be forced to accept it as expressive. I almost feel it's worth doing. If perl was a recognized expressive language, then passing laws on what you can and can't say are going to be very difficult. John