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I just *had* to comment.

On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 05:07:09PM +0000, dsr at wrote:
> > As for why it's desirable, how many sysadmins do you think it takes to
> > manage 1500 client machines and a couple dozen server machines
> > 24/7/365?  The number might surprise you.
> Exclusive of help-desk activities and specialists like DBAs, that could
> be handled by a team of 6 or so. You need 2 people during the
> day, 2 more to handle two additional shifts, and 2 to cover
> vacations/sick days/conferences. Another one is probably
> advisable, so I'll say 7.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!  That's really really really really funny.

Just keeping windows up-to-date will probably be a full-time job for
about a dozen people in such an environment.  Then on top of that, you
should expect to have one admin for every 30-60 users, depending on
the specifics of the environment.  Your comment suggests that you've
never worked in a large environment before.

I have re-implemented, or been involved in environments that
re-implemented something very similar to what Derek describes on more
than one occasion.  And I never lived at MIT.  Doing so, in as much as
is possible at your site, makes everything a lot nicer.

> The number of client machines is not important to anything
> except hardware replacement and initial install. 

That's quite preposterous.  You don't work in support at all, do

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