COX blocking own users outbound email

[jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz)]

On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 12:48:08PM -0400, Chadwick wrote:
> >From  the article:
> 
> ``However after extensive tests of their service, it has been
> demonstrated repeatedly that legitimate personal email messages are
> being stopped.''
> 
> What tests?  Where are the results?  The hard data would make my
> outrage much more founded on what may (or may not) be really
> happening.


Well, get off your behind and find out.  If you are going to question the
integrity of the reporting (and you have every right to do so, and
should)  Then you are creating a duty for yourself to go check it out.

Neither myself nor this email list exists to do research for you.

Contact the reporter and the people involved and ask them for the
details. Its a brave new world where everyone is empowered to contact
anyone else.

If the cost of phone calls is a problem for you, Skype is letting
people make free phone calls for the rest of this year.  I don't think
email costs should be much of a barrier  at all.
  
We anxiously await your report with further details on this matter.

If you're only interested in being a cynic go indulge yourself somewhere
else.  With this post you have contributed exactly zero to the
conversation.  If you have an ACTUAL reason for thinking the article is
false then state it.   Without an actual reason you have done nothing
more authoritative than something like saying "The world is flat"
without showing any proof.

You questions imply that there is no legitimate email being blocked.  
You'll have to do better than that.  You have to prove the reporter (or
someone speaking to the reporter) is lying.

Otherwise all you have is the cheap debaters trick of distraction.
Congratulations.

Please bring some real facts or information to the thread next time.
I'll happily read them and I'm quite open to realistically considering
them.

Otherwise you may get a one way ticket to a kill list. I'm not spending
time on people who can't engage in actual, substantive and informative
discussion.

(and, yes, I am a wee bit grumpy today. My back aches...   :-) )

> 
> -- 
> Chadwick
> 
> On 9/3/06, Jeff Kinz <jkinz at kinz.org> wrote:
> > A few years ago there were heated discussion about whether or not ISP's
> > should be blocking SMTP traffic (port 25) from dynamically assigned IP
> > addresses.
> >
> > Long time internet users viewed port 25 traffic as part of the inherent
> > bundle of services and "internet connection" provided by any ISP should
> > include.
> >
> > Those who worked at ISP claimed it was just the same thing a pizza
> > delivery car that won't deliver to some neighborhoods because its too
> > dangerous.
> >
> > Internet traditionalists responded that many innocent parties were being
> > harmed by these actions.
> >
> > ISP techs responded "well its only a few geeks that actually want to us
> > their own outbound SMTP on port 25"  (When they took the Jews  away I
> > kept quiet because I wasn't a Jew, when they took the teachers away I
> > kept quiet because I wasn't a teacher...)
> >
> > Internet traditionalists responded that the fundamental nature of this
> > action harmed the internet because it acted as and allowed ISP's to
> > enforce censorship. (Network information theory on the value of
> > networks confirms this by the way).
> >
> > Today the damage has taken another significant step forward:
> >
> > http://www.wichitalinks.com/coxspam.html
> >
> > The cox network is deleting their own customers legitimate outgoing email,
> > routed over Cox' own mail routers..
> >
> > And isn't even telling them when they do it.
> >
> > This is one more brick in the wall.
> >
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> > Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.
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