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[Discuss] Port Scanning
- Subject: [Discuss] Port Scanning
- From: daniel at syntheticblue.com (Daniel M Gessel)
- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 18:21:21 -0400
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On 2024-08-09 13:36, Kent Borg wrote: > On 8/6/24 10:03, Dan Ritter wrote: >> The rise of virtual machines and containers is an admission of >> systemic failure: people gave up on managing dependencies in a >> sensible manner. > > I've always considered the reason to be that the traditional idea of > what services an OS should offer has become tattered. But your version > gets to the heart of that in a nice way. And there is more going on > (going wrong) here. > > The OS clearly isn't doing enough to manage dependencies if people > prefer what BIOS?offers (or I guess UEFI these days) to what the OS > offers. A mark of failure for the OS. My CS education left out "System Virtual Machines" (as defined by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine). When I hear or read "VM", I think of "Process Virtual Machines" - which were always useful as intermediate targets during compilation and/or interpreters (p-code or the WAM for Prolog). The job of the OS (as I understood it) was to manage the HW, and the first OS I used that effectively virtualized the CPU and memory was Unix on "worksations". MacOS and DOS just didn't compare anymore. I can see the utility of System VMs on servers, but not something I'd use every day.
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