[Discuss] Trying to connect to internet in Debian

[ron at bclug.ca (Ron)]

Kent Borg wrote on 2026-01-16 19:44:

> On 1/16/26 7:05 PM, Rich Pieri wrote:
>> (my opinions about adopting systemd aside)
> 
> Always nice to see someone badmouthing systemd, thanks.

Gonna disagree.


What's your solution for services management? Upstart?


Why did both Canonical and RedHat develop a services management system? 
What problem(s) were they trying to solve? (RedHat included Upstart 
briefly before everyone settled on systemd.)


I know it's "not a very fashionable idea" to push back on "systemd 
sucks", but it's 2026, systemd is everywhere, and it works just fine.


In fact, it's nice to have a small, easy-to-read unit file to describe 
"don't start Apache if nginx is running" or "when mailman3 comes up, 
bring up mailman3-web, and when mailman3 shuts down, stop mailman3-web too".

A unit file that works across distributions so developers don't have to 
maintain a bunch of inscrutable scripts with tweaks for each OS.


Then there's the resource constraints that can be easily enforced via 
unit files.



Give a reason for "badmouthing" systemd other than "old man shakes fist 
at sky" please.