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Ron writes: | On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 ccb at valinux.com wrote: | > > > That's capitalism. | > > | > > That's disgusting. ... | I also resent any implied association between this particullarly base | concept of capitalism and American patriotism: the notion that if you | don't exhalt the almighty dollar, you must be a communist. (I'm | responding to a whole bunch of comments at once, nothing personal about | this one...) A few years ago, I read an interesting comment on this from a historian. In describing the idea that the primary goal of a corporation should be profit for its officers and shareholders, he said that the first known expression of this idea in print was in the mid-1800's, and the writer was none other than Karl Marx. Marx intended this as a serious negative criticism, and it was understood as such at the time. The idea then was that corporations were permitted some of their freedoms, in particular limits to liability for the actions of officers, in exchange for the social good that corporations produced. Marx's claim was that most corporations didn't work for the public good, but only for profit. He argued that instances of public good from corporations were few and accidental, and that they were more likely to do public harm in their search for profit. This was a real contrast to the ideas put forward by Adam Smith and other earlier economic analyists. The point of this bit of history was the suggestion that, contrary to widespread belief, Karl Marx has been far more successful than people generally admit. In this case, his attack on corporations has been turned around and adopted by the corporate world as not just the truth, but is actually proposed as ethically desirable. So, while the former Communist world has rejected his writings, the Capitalist world has openly embraced at least some of his ideas that were wild and outrageous when he wrote them. Around the same time, an economist friend remarked that one of the real embarrassments in his field is people they are more and more trying to pass for scientists, which means that they are being judged on how successful their theories are at making predictions, but by far the best record in this regard so far has been from economists who call themselves Marxists. I won't go into the explanation of why these economists have the most predictive success. (Ideaological trivia test question: Name some more Marxist ideas that are now considered correct in the Capitalist world. No cheating now; try answering without rereading your Marx. Stay on topic by giving example in the computer industry. Turn in your answers by Friday. ;-) - Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the message body to discuss-request at blu.org (Subject line is ignored).
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