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I don't think I would ever expect a company to honor privacy, its their bandwidth. Thats why I have my own mailserver. I can ssh into it, and just like that access my personal email, all of it is available to me. I can even send mail with out having to worry about this. I can honestly say nothing I transmit in email could not be read in a court of law. So in that sense, well maybe I'm lucky. I just don't want my employer to know that I am sending private emails at work, although as long as its not extreme I don't they would care. Maybe I'm not paranoid enough, Anthony On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Steve wrote: > Bill Horne wrote: > > > Well, no offense, but isn't that a little simplistic? "Companies ALLOW you..."? > > "It's not your RIGHT..."? "...expect to get VIOLATED..."? > > > As a company, I can tell you that I'm going to stick cameras in the warehouse to > stop theft. I'm going to monitor your email for buzzwords. I will keep backups > of all your email. So long as I disclose these things to you, you have no > intrinsic expectation of privacy in these areas. If you tell the company that > you're going to encrypt your emails so that they cannot read them or that you > will disconnect the camera while in their warehouse so they can't see what > you're doing while you're in there, you have that right. They also have a right > to go after you. > > It is a courtesy given by the company to give the employee a "nice" place to > work. If a company wants to be Big Brother or make you work in a cave, they'll > get "rewarded" accordingly by how society responds. That's where the balance is > struck, people are going to decide where your rights end and the company's > begins, but it's not your sole discretion as to what you can and can't do with > somebody else's (i.e., the corporation) property and vice-versa. A company has > no right to see the numbers on your personal cell phone or your Palm that you > bring to work, for example. > > > With all of your examples, encryption is important. That point was never > debated. You're not denied the right to communicate securely. What you can be > denied is the method of communication for your private communications, in > particular, using the company as your vehicle. Also, what's lost in some of your > examples are what are really private company-related communications (e.g., > fraud, abuse, etc.) vs. private personally-related communications where you are > not acting as an agent of the company. David Kramer has clarified his statement > to distinguish it from personal use. I think the courts have already ruled that > it's not your given right to use company assets to organize union activities. > > I could just as easily come up with examples showing how some abuser will use > company resources for personal activities that put the company in some sort of > danger. The company is suspicious and asks him what he's doing. He says go fish. > "I have rights to use this for my personal use." It is the worker's right to > deny access to the keys. It's also the company's right to take action. > > The real issue (well, at least with respect to this subthread of a subthread...) > is whether or not you have a RIGHT to have an expectation of personal privacy > using company assets when the company has guidelines as to how their equipment > is to be used. This precedes your right to secure communication over the same > equipment. If you have no right to use the company's assets for that purpose or > have no right to an expectation of personal privacy to use the company's assets > in that purpose, then the right to encryption is irrelevant. > > Your examples still do not show me how it is your RIGHT to use company assets > for your personal purposes. > > Steve > (hey, is that Goodwin's Law I see around the corner?) > > - > Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > message body to discuss-request at blu.org (Subject line is ignored). > - Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the message body to discuss-request at blu.org (Subject line is ignored).
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