Home
| Calendar
| Mail Lists
| List Archives
| Desktop SIG
| Hardware Hacking SIG
Wiki | Flickr | PicasaWeb | Video | Maps & Directions | Installfests | Keysignings Linux Cafe | Meeting Notes | Linux Links | Bling | About BLU |
On Fri, 27 May 2005, Tom Horne <hornetd at mindspring.com> wrote: > Now we get into this debate and some of the VOIP providers want to > blame us for not staffing administrative telephone numbers around the > clock thus giving them an inexpensive way out of the charges being > leveled against them. Those of you who are familiar with the > technology are even more aware than we are of the qualitative > difference between 911 service and any ten digit telephone number but > most of the public are not aware of those differences. Add to this the > fact that the VOIP providers are scared to death that they will be > required to provide 911 service at the first exchange rather than at > their offices hundreds or thousands of miles away and you have us > drawing and sharpening our public relations knives quite ready to leap > down the throat of anyone who tries to shift the blame for the recent > communications failures onto us. Ben Jackson wrote: > Errrr... I am pretty sure that every PSAP (Public Service > AnsweringPoint - 911 center, Fire/Police station, State Police, > anyplace that is capable of handling E911 calls) has some form of 10 > digit number that routes to the E911 system. I've heard of clueful > people that have been programming their VoIP phones' various > 'emergency buttons' with said numbers. While it would have been smart > for VoIP companies to have these numbers, they are kind of secret > (Why? $DEITY knows. Probably the same reason LECs keep payphone > numbers secret) and most people don't know about it. (Heck, I didn't > either until this whole mess started). > > Now, the problem with VoIP is that there is NO 'first exchange' in the > sense that people are used to. When I dial out on my Asterisk box, it > zips out of my router, through the vast expanse of the Internet and > then gets onto the PSTN somwhere in Michigan. If 911 was done on the > 'first exchange' I'd probably get a sherriff's dispatch center > somewhere in Michigan. Even if they could help, the response time > would be horrendous. ;) > > The recent communications failures are equally to blame on the > consumer and the ILEC. The consumer is at fault for not reading the > fine print, and the ILEC is at fault for not having some kind of > "basic E911" service for every wirepair out there. I highly doubt how > ANYONE could blame public safety in this mess, and the VoIP providers > have done a very nice CYA job on their contracts. > > ~Ben Ben I'm not clear what you mean by "every PSAP (Public Service Answering Point - 911 center, Fire/Police station, State Police, anyplace that is capable of handling E911 calls) has some form of 10 digit number that routes to the E911 system." I don't have exhaustive experience but the two PSAPs I have worked in did not in fact have a ten digit number that provided Automatic Location Information (ALI) or either of it's predecessors, Automatic Number Identification (ANI), or line seizure and ring back. Please note that ANI is a totally different animal than caller ID and delivering ANI information over a POTS line is just not possible. They can only deliver CLID (Calling party IDentification), which is not provided when the calling subscriber has a "Non-listed" number. One example of that difference is that unlike caller ID the caller has no control over whether the recipient gets the number and I mean none. If the billing registers have the number then the PSAP will have it. Those of you who have worked in telephone provision know that one of the hard and fast rules of public utilities is no billing equals no service. My position is that if the VOIP carriers need E911 integration then all of the cost of providing it should fall on them and only them. The LECs already have a system that works. It's called 911. Here's the catch: VoIP providers want to provide _ANI_ info over the _CLID_ path, and say that it's "just as good" as E911. Of course, this ignores the fact that PSAPs are custom built and designed to work with their associated tandems, and that the E911 Name and Address database is totally separate from the regular phone company "Caller ID With Name" database. As to why the ten digit administrative numbers of the PSAPs, that actually terminate on an appearance on a call takers console, are unlisted and confidential; the entire operation of a PSAP is predicated on the calls coming in on 911 with ALI. The system of ranking the calls for dispatch is based on a triage process that assigns a priority to each call based on pre-identified criteria. In order for that ranking to be assigned the caller must first talk to a PSAP call taker. The order in which the various appearances on that call takers console are answered is 911, Public street emergency telephone call boxes (in the very few places were they are used), Medical alarm ring down lines, Automatic fire alarm ring down lines, hold up alarm ring down lines, emergency response facility ring down or Centrex lines, Published ten digit non emergency numbers if any, and unlisted ten digit POTS administrative lines. Ring down lines from alarm services that handle multiple types of calls that have not been provided with the equipment to indicate which type of call that alarm bureau is trying to relay are answered on the lowest call rank that tie line is used to relay. UL listed class A alarm receiving stations use multiple tie lines or priority indicating tie lines. UL listed class B alarm receiving stations use non-indicating lines. From my earliest days in the fire and rescue service I learned that the quickest way to reach the dispatcher was by radio, the second quickest was by telegraph (when it was still available from the street fire alarm boxes), and the third quickest was by calling 911. A call taker can ignore the unlisted ten digit administrative line with impunity as long as there are any of those other appearances active. A call for an obstructed airway is ranked number one. A seizure in progress with a duration of less than several minutes might be a three, a report of structure fire in an occupied multiple dwelling during the hours of darkness might be a four, and so forth. A caller who has not spoken to the call taker because their call is coming in on the wrong appearance is effectively last. Now on the issue of VOIP having no first exchange we're probably just using the terms differently. With a CATV carrier the first exchange for their telephone service offering is their signal control office for that portion of the system. For a DSL line it is the Central Office telephone exchange that the land line that carries the DSL comes from. For Dial up service it is were the server's modems are located. In other words for each of these land line technologies it is the location were the signal is taken from the last mile medium and inserted onto the ISPs equipment. For the wireless user the first exchange is the location that receives her/his radio signal. To keep the discussion simple we will ignore Controlled Environment Vaults and similar structures. That first physical structure were the last mile medium is collocated with POTS lines is the place were connection to 911 dedicated pathways would occur in the POTS world. No State Public Service Commission or equivalent state agency would ever permit the LECs to route 911 calls through their network on the same basis as other calls to the telephone central office closest to the PSAP in order to save money. The LECs have provisioned dedicated E911-only trunks that go to a Tandem which serves the PSAP. The trunks are in all cases reserved for E911. In most states the pathways are redundant so that cutting a cable will not cut off 911 service to an exchange. Your answer of requiring LECs to have dial tone on every single pair would impose a huge financial burden on their subscribers and/or stock holders. Why should they be required to do that when the systems that they have in place now work very well. I have Covad DSL with Earthlink as my ISP. If you clip onto my DSL pair with a non data guard butt set you will down my DSL service just as you would any other DSL line. What you wouldn't get with any telephone instrument that you attached directly to that pair is any form of dial tone. Their just isn't any connection between that pair and the POTS switching equipment. That pair terminates at Covad's modem equipment. My DSL service is not piggy backed onto a POTS line in order to avoid finger pointing between Covad and the LEC. The LEC sells Covad a clean dry pair. It is Covad's Modem equipment that places the carrier onto that pair and there is no telephone number associated with it. Are you saying that every pair in every cable should have dial tone on it? Would you force the LECs to put dial tone on meter loops or dedicated alarm signal lines. What about other leased pairs for say intra company teletypewriter or computer network service. The LECs provide access to the POTS switching equipment to paying customers who subscribe to there voice telephone service. They are under no obligation to provide it to anyone else. In my thirty three years of fire and rescue work I have taken many calls with a location of down stairs from, across the hall from, next door to and so forth. This is because those homes had no voice telephone service. In most cases the homes had wire pairs to the premise they just didn't have telephone service. What they chose not to pay for they didn't get. Lastly what you highly doubt did occur in some instances when VOIP operators vilified local PSAP staff for not answering published non emergency numbers promptly in an attempt to shift the blame away from their systems. In both Florida and Michigan the State Fire Chiefs Association pulled out the public relations knives and proceeded to start cutting up the VOIP folks in the press for deceptive advertisement and attempting to operate bargain basement phone service at the expense of public safety. The fight was over very quickly when the VOIP staffs who made the initial accusations of misfeasance against PSAP staffs quickly realized they were being cut wide and deep by the press and withdrew from the fray to change strategies and do damage control. Some of that damage control was raising the patently false accusations that the LECs were denying the VOIP providers access to the 911 system when in fact the LECs were saying we will sell you anything you are willing to pay for. It's a capitalist system. You want something you have to pay for it. -- Master Fire Fighter / Rescuer Thomas D. Horne, speaking only for himself and not the Takoma Park Volunteer Fire Department a cooperating agency of the Montgomery County Fire & Rescue Service, Maryland, USA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hornetd.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 505 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20050530/073a8c0c/attachment.vcf> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3264 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: <http://lists.blu.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20050530/073a8c0c/attachment.bin>
BLU is a member of BostonUserGroups | |
We also thank MIT for the use of their facilities. |