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John Chambers wrote: > Tom Metro writes: >> It's stuff like this that makes me reluctant to switch my cable TV >> service to Verizon, even it it ends up being cheaper and better. > > To get service from Verizon comparable to what speakeasy gives for > $60/month (fixed IP, permission to run servers), Verizon's lowest > price was $200/month for "business" service. I've looked into the FIOS business data offerings on several occasions and have always found the entry-level offering with static IP to be priced at about $100. See my prior posts: http://www.nabble.com/Verizon-Fios-tf4188406.html#a11910436 http://www.nabble.com/FIOS-tf4189891.html#a11914692 If this has changed, can you cite a page with prices? > That's hardly cheaper. I specifically said "cable TV service." See my price comparison I posted a month ago: http://www.nabble.com/Digital-tuner-cards-and-Verizon-tf4190173.html#a11915918 The FIOS business data offerings with static IP are indeed more expensive than lower speed, but otherwise comparable offerings from DSL providers. > It has been reported by a lot of people that installing FIOS usually > includes removing the copper. A few people have described being told > by the phoneco people that the copper wires would be left. I've read accounts on the net of people who have requested to have their copper lines left untouched, and have confirmed with a FIOS rep. that you can request this and they'll honor the request. (The latter point coved this my prior posting: http://www.nabble.com/FIOS-tf4189891.html#a11914692 ) But why should they care? The vast majority of people getting FIOS installed will be clueless to this detail, and thus Verizon still succeeds in adding barriers to competition in most cases. Mark J. Dulcey wrote: > They're trying to get permission to stop offering wholesale line > service for resale. If they get it, all CLEC DSL services go away -- > no Covad, no Speakeasy, no Earthlink, no Galaxy, no nothing. I wonder if this "lock out" would also cover the situation where you are renting a "dry pair" from the phone company. My understanding is that the business arrangement between the DSL provider and the telco is a bit different under those circumstances, though I'd assume the DSL provider still needs the cooperation of the telco in order to place equipment in the central office. > We'll be left with the cable/RBOC duopoly, and both of them only want > to sell us second-class internet services -- no fixed IP addresses > and no servers. Comcast, RCN, and FIOS all offer "business" connectivity with the option of a static IP. They're all overpriced (compared to static IP DSL), and as I've mentioned on the list before, despite offering static IPs, some still prohibit running servers. This was true of RCS when I checked with them several years ago. I don't know about Comcast's business offering - they dragged their feet in rolling it out for so long that I lost interest. And as I noted in the posting I linked to above, FIOS blocks ports on their business service with dynamic IP, but claims they don't if you opt for a static IP (though they never produced a terms-of-service agreement stating that). So your statement is only partially right. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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