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[Discuss] Google Voice, VoIP providers
- Subject: [Discuss] Google Voice, VoIP providers
- From: tmetro+blu at gmail.com (Tom Metro)
- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:32:39 -0400
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Chuck Anderson wrote: > I use Callcentric. I use Callcentric as well. Quite good feature set, and quite good support...providing there hasn't been a hurricane. :-) Hurricane Sandy demonstrated just how poorly Callcentric's infrastructure able to withstand damage to their data center. They had all their eggs in one basket. They were not geographically distributed. Because of this, I wouldn't trust them with a ported-in line. This is a problem with virtually all VoIP providers: it is very difficult to tell from the outside whether the company has a geographically distributed, carrier-grade setup, or merely a handful of virtual machines running in the cloud with leased lines from a wholesale carrier. (Callcentric was actually somewhat vertically integrated in that they didn't outsource the POTS connectivity, which is why they had their data center located in a building shared with other telecom providers, and why it wasn't trivial for them to just buy space in other random data centers.) We really need a "Consumer Reports" equivalent for the VoIP industry with knowledgeable people that actually go and visit the physical operations of providers to see the design of their infrastructure, and review their disaster recovery plans. On the other hand, do people still care enough about land line service? A big reason why people are fine with taking a chance on an unknown VoIP provider is that it is a cheap way to keep getting calls at their old land line number, which they hardly ever use any more. Rich Braun wrote: > ...due to and end-of-life announcement for XMPP protocol (for reasons > that are vaguely related to some unspecified need imposed by Google > Hangouts technology)... The discontinuation of XMPP support is no more fishy than Google's decision to use it in the first place for VoIP. While yes, it is an open protocol, and yes it had provisions to carry voice, clearly SIP was and is the dominant open protocol for VoIP. For a short while during the transition period between Grand Central (the company Google acquired and turned into GV) and Google Voice, they actually supported SIP. But then dropped it. Supposedly because they wanted to integrate with Google Talk, their chat client. Right from that point Google was hinting that they were more interested in being an IM provider with voice added-on, than in being a first-rate VoIP provider. Your Obi, and other similar devices, access GV by pretending to be a Google Talk client. It's sort of a hack, and causes complications if you try and also use that same account for IM. You pretty much need to have a dedicated account for GV use. Now with the transition to Hangouts, Google is going even more proprietary. Phasing out XMPP and dropping support for exchanging IMs outside the Google universe. There are some small time providers that provide SIP to XMPP gateways (a service in the cloud) as a means of using generic SIP hardware with GV. It's possible that we will see them reverse engineer Hangouts and build an equivalent service for that platform. (Maybe they'll use a cluster of Raspberry Pis running Android and the official Hangouts app. :-) ) > Frankly, GV just simply *blows away* all rivals in terms of > features/capabilities/everything-- regardless of price. The fact > that it's been free for years is beside the point. That it has been free has been the only compelling feature, in my opinion. I have had a GV account longer than I've had an Obi, but I've never been all that impressed with it. The features always struck me as rather bare bones, although that did lend a cleanliness and simplicity to it. I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on what you see are the unrivaled featured. I've only been a light user of the service, and could certainly have overlooked things. I've never felt confident enough in Google's commitment or support for GV to risk porting a number to the service. It makes me cringe a bit when I hear people saying they use GV for important things, like their business. If the service goes out, can you reach a support person in minutes? How long will it take Google to address a problem you are having with a free service? I imagine they have exemplary overall uptime, and fast response for problems that impact thousands of users, but how about problems that impact only you? As for features, I feel there is more capability in my free Callcentric account than with GV. But the free Callcentric account doesn't include free POTS calls. Dan Ritter wrote: > The major missing functionality is transcription of voice mail, > which has never worked well for me on GV anyway. True, but those transcripts never fail to be hilariously entertaining. > Instead I have voice mail encoded to mp3 and attached to an email... The provider I use for my business line, VirtualPBX, also provides this. Which means UI can go for moths without needing to login to their UI. (I don't necessarily recommend VirtualPBX. Their support is horrible. But I haven't found a better option for the price/feature combination.) -Tom -- Tom Metro The Perl Shop, Newton, MA, USA "Predictable On-demand Perl Consulting." http://www.theperlshop.com/
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