[Discuss] [EXT] Re: Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

[cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson)]

You might not agree with the Gnome Shell design, but it was in fact carefully designed, and not intentionally made to have "bad ergonomics":

https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design

On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 02:22:50PM -0400, Grant Mongardi wrote:
> No, _this_ machine was Linux Mint (the one I updated). The one I use at
> work is Debian Stretch (v9) which is using Cinnamon, by default. I have
> used the DVD I originally downloaded and installed it on 2 other VMs at
> work, and although there are some features I installed afterwards it is
> basically the same (meaning all Cinnamon). I didn't manually select
> Cinnamon at all, and in fact had to go look to see what it was exactly when
> folks asked.
> 
> It did turn out it was a notification. It was such a horrible sound I
> assumed it was a bug.
> 
> So just to be clear, I did actually do what I said I did. The installer
> never prompted for which desktop I wanted to use, and in this particular
> case the version of GNOME is just terrible.
> 
> Just to be clear, here is just one of the many horrible ideas that they
> have in this version.If I want to select a file for something, this is what
> the window looks like:
> https://i.imgur.com/u0tFOSW.png
> 
> Who puts the buttons at the top? And worse, the "open" button is on one
> side and the "cancel" is on the other. No other desktop does this that I'm
> aware of. This is just truly bad ergonomics.
> 
> Thanks all, but I'm done. I'm using my Mac to write this by the way until I
> can get my desktop into a usable state.
> 
> Grant M.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:02 PM Dan Ritter <dsr at randomstring.org> wrote:
> 
> > Grant Mongardi wrote:
> > > Well, it was in fact Debian Stretch that used Cinnamon as the default
> > > desktop.
> >
> > Actually... no. I checked. Stretch had GNOME 3.22 as the default.
> > Google it for yourself, if you don't believe me.
> >
> > Somebody in this thread mentioned that you weren't actually
> > using Stretch, you were using Mint, which is based on Debian
> > but is not Debian. Mint had Cinnamon as its default back then.
> >
> > So.
> >
> > > That's sort of the point I was making. I don't know why you would
> > > so dramatically change that experience.
> >
> > In the face of the above, I really don't think this point is
> > valid. You changed distributions.
> >
> > > used. Hell, the computer makes a horrible screech noise everytime I put a
> > > USB stick in, something I've never experienced before.
> >
> > Either there's something dramatically wrong with your hardware,
> > or that's GNOME trying to be helpful. Go switch to your
> > preferred desktop environment and see if it stops? Let us know
> > if it doesn't.
> >
> > -dsr-